What "Attributes"?

[AKOFL]

Another one. B1 hold A1. A1 is in the bonus and hits both free throws. while B1 is making the throw-in, A1 pushes B2 jockying for position.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jburt

how is it administered? shots (if warranted) in order of foul occurrences? than POI?

False doubles are administered in order, that's it. No POI.

Take my example above.
A1 gets his free throws (foul 1).
Then, B gets two free throws and the ball (foul2).

Another example would be if A1 (the shooter) fouls B1 (on the lane) during the rebounding action of the free throw. Assuming it's during the first free throw of a one-and-one, you would shoot the 2nd (assuming A1 made the first one) with the lane cleared, then either proceed to your throwin for B or your free throws for B1 with the lane occupied if B is in the bonus.

[Scratch85]

Do I have this one right?

A1 has the ball and fouled fouled by B1 while dribbling (called by L). Team A is in the bonus. At the same time A2 sets an illegal screen on B2 (called by C). Both whistles happen at the same time.

My ruling; simultaneous foul, no shots, POI, Team A gets throwin closest to A1's position when fouled.

Part 2: Does each official report their own foul?

[Adam]

yup yup yup

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Do I have this one right?

A1 has the ball and fouled fouled by B1 while dribbling (called by L). Team A is in the bonus. At the same time A2 sets an illegal screen on B2 (called by C). Both whistles happen at the same time.

My ruling; simultaneous foul, no shots, POI, Team A gets throwin closest to A1's position when fouled.

Part 2: Does each official report their own foul?

If in the above case, A1 was an airborne shooter and was airborne when C's whistle blew and was fouled by B1 while still in the air but after C's whistle could it become a false double foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

I've always been told to have good "game management" and "preventative officiating" to make sure I don't get in the situation of having that lovely "false double foul".

If you believe that, you don't know what a false double foul really is.

They happen regularly...perhaps in a majority of games....even multiple times in some games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

The double foul attributes are that they are both "personal" fouls or both "technical" fouls.

In a false double foul, one is a personal and the other is a technical. The fouls still occur at approximately the same time but the first foul causes the ball to become dead and the clock to stop. The second foul is a dead ball foul and possibly resulting in a technical. Thus one personal and one technical.

I think you meant to type "the second foul occurs before the clock is restarted"?

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think you meant to type "the second foul occurs before the clock is restarted"?

Yeah that too. It's hard to get it all in there when you keep getting interrupted by work. I wish they would leave me alone.

Bob has already set the record straight on the attributes. So as usual, I'll listen to Bob.

[Freddy]

Thank you for your clarifications in this thread! I just had an "ah-ha" moment, based on the responses above.
Seems the most distinctive thing about a false double foul is "what happens next". After reporting, the play is resumed by whatever follows after the penalty for each foul is administered according to order in which they each occured. Whereas, after a double foul, the play is resumed, after reporting the fouls, at the point of interruption.
Seems that "what happens next" is the most important thing about disguishing between a double foul and a false double foul. Is that an accurate conclusion?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Thank you for your clarifications in this thread! I just had an "ah-ha" moment, based on the responses above.
Seems the most distinctive thing about a false double foul is "what happens next". After reporting, the play is resumed by whatever follows after the penalty for each foul is administered according to order in which they each occured. Whereas, after a double foul, the play is resumed, after reporting the fouls, at the point of interruption.
Seems that "what happens next" is the most important thing about disguishing between a double foul and a false double foul. Is that an accurate conclusion?

If it helps you, then it's accurate. Personally, I wouldn't worry about "false double fouls". You know how to handle two fouls, and that's all a false double foul is.

[Adam]

Bob's right. All you need to remember is that it's not a double.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Thank you for your clarifications in this thread!

Freddy, just curious. Do you ever feel that when making a call, your mechanics make you look like you're doing the "Freddy"? That would be cool.

[Freddy]

Mark Padgett's inquiry: "Do you ever feel that when making a call, your mechanics make you look like you're doing the "Freddy"? That would be cool."

That would depend whether the gym wants Freddy Mercury, Freddy Fender, or just "The Freddy." I match the mechanics to the crowd. By the way, that's me in your pic, on the bass.