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Substitute enters the court without being beckoned, not between quarters, before ball becomes live and technical foul is called. Maybe not great game management but let's say it happened. I understand the T would be charged to the sub. Should there be an indirect to the coach? You don't become a "player" until beckoned. Everyone else is bench personnel.
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The reason this one is on my mind is that it happened to my partner and I in a JV game last week. Two subs waiting to enter, we beckon them on to the court and, as I'm handing the ball for the throw in, see a player rush to the table. By this time the ball is inbounded and on its way down the court so I figure we'll get the sub on the next stopage. Well, the sub comes onto the court and the guy he's replacing is runs to the bench. We call the T and, luckily, my partner reminds me that it's an indirect to the coach who gets to sit for the rest of the game. |
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10.4.2 - Bench personnel shall not enter the court unless by permission of an official to attend an injured player You are correct that I should have applied 10.2.2: A substitute shall not enter the court without being beckoned by an official between quarters. The more I do this the more I realize how much I have left to learn. Thanks for the reminder. |
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That's my point. The subs are not "players" until beckoned. As such they are still bench personnel. Techs to bench personnel get indirects to coach. The foul summary seems to contradict the penalty for this situation. 10.4.2 indicates T for entry unless permission of an official. The penalty for 10.4.1-4 is direct T to offender, and indirect to the coach.
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Subs are their own category; not bench and not players. But they are treated like players if the T is for entering without being beckoned or not reporting. See rule 10.2. That said, if a sub, while waiting to be beckoned, pops off to the ref as he runs by during a live ball; that'll be an indirect to the coach as well.
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I disagree due to the reasoning put forth in my above comments. Last edited by Nevadaref; Fri Dec 05, 2008 at 06:11am. |
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I dont think this is sound logic. If the sub at the table mouths off to you, than you are still going to stick the coach with an indirect because hes still bench personnel.
I agree with the ruling that its not a T to the coach but I think it just needs to be remembered not tried to lump with other rules. |
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Subs are bench personnel until they become players. Improperly substituting has a specific penalty defined to be charged to the player. Aside from that, their actions are actions of non-players (bench personnel).
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