What's the penalty

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What's the rules basis for this reasoning? My understanding is that substitutes are treated like players only when they make the mistake of entering too quickly. If they were to enter the court during a fight, for example....

There is none. It is also inconsistent with the way a player is DQ'd....bench personel as soon as the coach is notified even if the player is still on the court (perhaps at the far end).

Subs are bench personnel until they become players. Improperly substituting has a specific penalty defined to be charged to the player. Aside from that, their actions are actions of non-players (bench personnel).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What's the rules basis for this reasoning? My understanding is that substitutes are treated like players only when they make the mistake of entering too quickly. If they were to enter the court during a fight, for example....

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There is none. It is also inconsistent with the way a player is DQ'd....bench personel as soon as the coach is notified even if the player is still on the court (perhaps at the far end).

Subs are bench personnel until they become players. Improperly substituting has a specific penalty defined to be charged to the player. Aside from that, their actions are actions of non-players (bench personnel).

In the end, I have to agree with you guys that the NFHS is simply inconsistent on this matter due to definition 4-34-2 clearly saying that substitutes are bench personnel. So much for my earlier attempt to rationalize an inconsistency in the NFHS rules. I still think that my method for handling substitutes at the table would be better.

[BillyMac]

Penalized if discovered before the ball becomes live: A substitute shall not enter the court without reporting to the scorer; and without being beckoned by an official, except between periods. Substitute technical foul. A maximum of one foul for either, or both, requirements, reporting, and/or beckoned. A substitute technical foul is charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball. Once the ball becomes live, the substitute is a legal player at that point, the foul is not penalized.