Automatic T?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

You say that's not automatic, but I bet you can't remember a time when you called a foul on a guy and he says, "no way", and slams the ball, and you did NOT give a T.

Yes I can. I had a kid do something similar about 2 or years ago. And I cannot remember the last time I have called a T for this action at all. I have had other officials call it with me on the game, but not by me. The kid bounced the ball and the ball got away from him and he was mad with his teammate. It made absolutely no sense to call a T for that when it was clear the action was an accident and he did not hurt anyone by his actions.

This idea of "automatic" was conjured up by officials, coaches and some fans somewhere. There is no where in the rulebook or casebook that says this must be called like a player ripping out their jersey. And even with the jersey a player better do it so obvious for it to be called by me. Not just something where a player pulls out the front part of his jersey and it is hardly noticed.

Peace

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes I can. I had a kid do something similar about 2 or years ago. And I cannot remember the last time I have called a T for this action at all. I have had other officials call it with me on the game, but not by me. The kid bounced the ball and the ball got away from him and he was mad with his teammate. It made absolutely no sense to call a T for that when it was clear the action was an accident and he did not hurt anyone by his actions.

This idea of "automatic" was conjured up by officials, coaches and some fans somewhere. There is no where in the rulebook or casebook that says this must be called like a player ripping out their jersey. And even with the jersey a player better do it so obvious for it to be called by me. Not just something where a player pulls out the front part of his jersey and it is hardly noticed.

Peace

You're talking about totally different situations. I'm talking about when the ball is slammed because he disagrees with a call you made. Do you really not call a T here?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

You're talking about totally different situations. I'm talking about when the ball is slammed because he disagrees with a call you made. Do you really not call a T here?

Coach, I am sorry but I have been officiating longer than you have from what I understand. I do not use the term "automatic" because it takes out thought or judgment and it takes away from the situation. A kid could do less than that and get a T under the right circumstances. I know that you have convinced yourself this is "automatic" but I stopped using that way of thinking because I have found situations are not always that simple. What if that was the first time the kid had an outburst? What if the ball only went 6 feet in the air? What if the player tried to catch the ball? What if the ball hit him in the head? I am sorry, but I do not officiate that way anymore. It gets you in more trouble than it is worth if you ask me.

Peace

[Adam]

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[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

You're talking about totally different situations. I'm talking about when the ball is slammed because he disagrees with a call you made. Do you really not call a T here?

Coach, firstly you've added variables to the story since your opening post. Secondly, if someone disagrees with your premise of an automatic T in this situation is it going to change your mind or are you then going debate them in hopes that they change their mind?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Coach, firstly you've added variables to the story since your opening post. Secondly, if someone disagrees with your premise of an automatic T in this situation is it going to change your mind or are you then going debate them in hopes that they change their mind?

The fact that he added elements suggests a couple of things to me. Either it did not happen quite the way he said or there was a little hyperbole to the situation.

Remember the officials on the game passed on the action. They obviously did not think it was "automatic."

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The fact that he added elements suggests a couple of things to me. Either it did not happen quite the way he said or there was a little hyperbole to the situation.

Remember the officials on the game passed on the action. They obviously did not think it was "automatic."

Doesn’t mean a T wasn’t warranted and missed. There could be any number of reasons it was passed on; some valid and some just, well, pusillanimous.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doesn’t mean a T wasn’t warranted and missed. There could be any number of reasons it was passed on; some valid and some just, well, pusillanimous.

That is why I said the officials on the game passed for a reason. We might ultimately disagree with their reasoning or judgment, but we do not officiate behind a computer screen either.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

..... some just, well, pusillanimous.

And that will never heal if you pick at it.