Offensive Foul Reminder

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The question is why we still have player control fouls. The player with control is part of the team with control, the penalty is the same, so..........

Not quite...a PC foul cancels a made basket even if the try is in flight. A team control foul while a try is in flight does not cancel a made basket.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Not quite. A PC foul cancels a made basket even if the try is in flight. A team control foul while a try is in flight does not cancel a made basket.

Nice catch jdw3018. This won't make me, or Arsenio, go hmmmm anymore.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Not quite...a PC foul cancels a made basket even if the try is in flight. A team control foul while a try is in flight does not cancel a made basket.

But you can't have team control while a try is in flight, thus no team control fouls after the ball is released on a try.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by zm1283

But you can't have team control while a try is in flight, thus no team control fouls after the ball is released on a try.

A1 shoots, ball is in flight, A2 fouls B1 during boxing out action, ball does/doesn't go in, no team control foul, B1 shoots free throws down the other end if Team B is in the bonus, or double bonus.

Sounds good to me. Nice job zm1283. So, again, is there a need to distinguish between a player control foul and a team control foul? We go back to this being a thing that make you go hmmmm...

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by zm1283

But you can't have team control while a try is in flight, thus no team control fouls after the ball is released on a try.

Quite excellent point. And again, an even better reason to have a separate definition for player control fouls.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Quite excellent point. And again, an even better reason to have a separate definition for player control fouls.

Couldn't we just add the airborne shooter clause to the Team Control section, and thus get rid of the PC foul altogether?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Couldn't we just add the airborne shooter clause to the Team Control section, and thus get rid of the PC foul altogether?

Personally, I like the PC foul because it comes with some separate definitions of what a player with control of the ball is responsible for vs. a player without the ball. Time and distance differences, etc.

We could do what you're talking about, but why?