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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 03:16am
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Ok I'm a basketball player in High School here in California (CIF).
I used to play post a lot (i'm 6'4 and 168lbs), but due to my weight and how much i've progressed, I'm moving to a 2 or 3 guard. However, I'm sure there will be times when I will be matched up against smaller PFs or even centers. I have a question for two rule sets: the NBA and high school in California. If I am posting up my defender, can I "lower my shoulder" and do a power move to push him under the basket? What if he is moving? What if he has his feet set? What if he is in the "no charge" circle under the basket? Due do my weight, I need to dip my shoulder a little bit to put some force in the post or else I just get pushed out when I go to make a move. 
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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 04:26am
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Who knows what a foul on a post player is in the NBA? If somebody tells you they do, tell 'em to watch Shaq run people over for a while.
 High school-- I'm not sure if the CIF uses NFHS rules or modified NCAA rules, but it doesn't really matter. It's always your foul if you lower your shoulder and push off your opponent. It also doesn't matter if your defender is moving or has his feet set either. The general rule is that if you lower your shoulder and contact the defender in the torso, it's your foul. Iow, good luck to you if you try that move. Forget the "no charge" circle. That only applies if the CIF is using womens NCAA rules. Even then, it doesn't sound like that rule is applicable to what you're describing anyway. Welcome to the forum.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 01:45pm
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As JR stated it doesn't matter - you lower your shoulder its an offensive foul.
As for the semi-circle, in the NBA it is only used for a secondary defender IIRC. Meaning that it is irrelevant in this situation.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 03:24pm
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If you lower your shoulder you're going to get called for the foul nearly every time. Work on better habits -- like positioning or beating your man with speed. You might want to hit the weight room hard in the off season to get stronger and work to develop the mental part of the game to play smarter than your opponents.
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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 04:33pm
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Thanks for the replies. I've just seen some people get away with it while other's havent. I'm more inclinded to bump the guy in the post and then fade away or put up the hook.
But yes I am working on the weights and stuff... I just want to expand my game a little 
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Mon Nov 28, 2005, 12:51pm
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Mon Nov 28, 2005, 01:30pm
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lol well I played post mostly for my defense. I'm a pretty good blocker and rebounder, but I didn't have many offensive moves... :P
And I've seen some of the bigger guys get away with it, but when i tried it I got called for a foul real quick... So I just had a question about it.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005, 03:02pm
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God....there are a lot of things wrong with this post. First, to Num33......if you are a Post Player you can only "regress" to a 2 or 3. Post Players are the kings of roundball. 2's and 3's were invented by Dr. Neismith just to get us the ball.
Second, don't hit the Weight Room. See a good shrink instead. What you need to do to be a Pivot Man is lose your conscience. Just think.....black hole.....black hole..... Post play is all about getting a stride's distance from the defender. You contact him just before the inbounding throw is made. Then it's a BIG junp step to meet the ball and gain distance from him. You land on the foot opposite your shooting hand and pivot on the catch. Did I mention you ALWAYS ALWAYS shoot it? Remember, if you are guarded by a taller player that you can fake the turnaround take a step on your non-pivot foot, raise your pivot foot and throw in a nice throw-back scoop shot. (I'm getting tears in my eyes thinking about it.) I loved watching those big freaks fly by my right shoulder with that dumb look on their faces. Just don't mess up by passing it back out to a lousey 2 or 3. Serously, trying to wedge the defender and have the ball come into you seldom works. It just attracts secondary defenders like the nasty fruitflies they truly are.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005, 09:46pm
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No you can't attempt to get closer to the goal by attempting to "go through" the player. Doesn't matter if he is moving. Doesn't matter if his feet are set. That "no charge" area is called the restricted area. I know this won't make any sense to you, but I will try to explain: If a play originates in the Lower defensive box, which you will only see on an NBA court, the restricted area has no bearing on whether it is a charge or not. Good luck on the season. With your size it sounds like you need to be a finesse player. I was 6 foot and 175 pounds when I was in school so you are going to have to get your swole on if you want to power people. I know it sounds weird but I played the post as well in high school, and JCROW has got it right, if you can stay at the post do so and if not get down there often. I loved nothing more than the people in my district seeing me go from PG to C and me doing a heck of a job in the post for my size. Keep working hard.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005, 01:45am
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Tue Nov 29, 2005, 07:46am
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Tue Nov 29, 2005, 08:57am
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RainMaker.....harp music......back to 1968. It's my Junior year in HS. I'm the last guy on the bench. I see about 30 seconds action in games we are up by 20 or down by 20. I HAVEN'T scored a point all year. (You can take a lot of shots in 30 seconds, too.)
Every darn turnaround I've taken all year has been in and out or rolled around and out. My Coach is tough. He keeps me on the Team to serve as a bad example to better players. Plus, nobody takes verbal abuse better than me. Last regular season game. We are up by 22. I'm in and the other Team is fc pressing. I get a great pass from some guard that busted his hump to break the press and lay it in!!! 2-points. GLORY! I've finally scored a varsity point! Next time we have the ball, another fc press. I get another long pass. A defender sticks his finger in my right eye up to the third hairy knuckle. Arrrghh....I'm totally blinded. Both eyes tear up, immediately. I take two dribbles and shoot a 15-foot fadeway. I think it hit the Concession Stand. I'm blind. The Ref calls time out and they have to lead me off the court into the locker room. Pretty bad injury. Eye cut. Takes a week to get clear vision back. When I return to practice the Coach who was a tough guy says, "John, good to have you back but I have a question. Why did you shoot that shot if you couldn't see?" My reply was, "Coach....I was hot." Pivot players are born......not made.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005, 11:43am
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lol
I can relate. Last year I hardly played at all.... But thats definately changing
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Tue Nov 29, 2005, 12:24pm
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But you are correct that the LDB is not outlined like the FT lane.
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