Offensive Foul on Reggie?

lukealex · #1 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 09:54am

Did anybody think Reggie should have been called for an offensive foul at the end of game 3 of the Pacers-Pistons series last Friday night?

If you missed the play, he caught the ball, took a dribble or two at the defender (Lindsay Hunter I believe), kind of put his shoulder into him and kind of pushed off with his elbow, then shot and made a 2.

I would have needed to see it close up to make the call, but after seeing the replay 10 times I think he might have gotten away with one.

Any thoughts? Would anyone have called the foul?

ChuckElias · #2 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 10:02am

I only saw the angle from behind Reggie. It certainly looked like something happened, but I couldn't see through the play, so I can't say for sure what happened.

JugglingReferee · #3 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 10:51am

Reggie has been doing this for years.

Jordan did it too.

It's not entertaining to call that foul, so they don't.

truerookie · #4 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 11:10am

I have to agree with Chuck. Could not see through the play could not make the call. Positioning is everything this is way I work hard to see through the players.

lukealex · #5 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 11:14am

I totally agree with it in not being entertaining to call the foul, just as Jordan's last shot with the Bulls when he pushed off on Byron Russell.

I'm wondering how blatent the act would have to be to get it called.

Here is my real question: Would anyone call this in the same situation of a high school or college game?

M&M Guy · #6 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 11:21am

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Originally posted by lukealex
Here is my real question: Would anyone call this in the same situation of a high school or college game?

If I had the same angle as the TV camera, probably not. It looks like he might've pushed, but it would be a guess. If I had been able to see between them, I would have a better idea if Reggie initiated the contact, how much contact there really was, or if the defender fell back harder than the contact would dictate.

Positioning is everything.

JRutledge · #7 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 11:41am

Not only do I agree with Chuck, I think the defender (Lindsey Hunter) possibility flopped. It was really difficult to tell from the angle how much if any contact was made.

Peace

rwest · #8 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 11:53am

However, I don't blame the ref for not calling it. He looked to me to be straight lined when the foul occured. He didn'thave the same angle we had on the replay. He did move to get a better position but it happened so fast. Can't blame him for the no call. Can't call what you THOUGHT happened. Call what you see.

Mark Dexter · #9 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 01:15pm

Even seeing the replay with the secondary angle (showing between the two players), where you can see Reggie putting his hand out, it's too hard to tell whether the defender flopped or not. I have no call on that.

Jurassic Referee · #10 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 01:41pm

Obvious pushoff, and Reggie admitted as such after the game.

When Reggie does that at home, it's never a foul in the NBA. If it was reversed and Lindsay Hunter did that to Reggie in Indy, then maybe it mighta been a foul. However, if Hunter did it in Detroit, he maybe mighta got away with it too.

It's the NBA, folks. Faaaaaaantastic! It's entertainment with And1 rules.

Never try to disect an NBA call. You'll go blind.

M&M Guy · #11 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 01:47pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Never try to disect an NBA call. You'll go blind.

Well, that explains my lack of sight; does that also explain the hair on my palms?

BktBallRef · #12 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 02:13pm

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Originally posted by lukealex
I totally agree with it in not being entertaining to call the foul, just as Jordan's last shot with the Bulls when he pushed off on Byron Russell.

I'm wondering how blatent the act would have to be to get it called.

Here is my real question: Would anyone call this in the same situation of a high school or college game?

In Game 4 of the 1998 second round series between the Bulls and Pacers, Reggie shoved Jordan for the top of the key, into the backcourt, before catching the ball and hitting a game winning 3 at the buzzer. That was probably the most blatant shove that I've ever seen with a shooter trying to get open and it wasn't called.

Reggie has been doing this for years. He has 2 games left in his career. They aren't going to start calling it now.

lukealex · #13 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 02:19pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Reggie has been doing this for years. He has 2 games left in his career. They aren't going to start calling it now.

Very good point

Junker · #14 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 02:56pm

I didn't think it was a foul. The contact was minimal at at the NBA level, you would expect that a defender strong enough to play in the NBA could stay on their feet through that contact. I thought it looked like a flop. I thought no call was the right call.

JugglingReferee · #15 (**permalink**) Tue May 17, 2005, 03:39pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Reggie has been doing this for years. He has 2 games left in his career. They aren't going to start calling it now.

No way. Reggie takes Nash to 7. That's the best way to end it all. Reggies stays around for as long as he can, but Nash still wins the title.