End of game sitch

Team A is down 4 points with less than 15 seconds on the game clock. A2 scores on a 3 point try... Team A is now down by 1. Team B delays in picking up the ball, the official begins his 5 second count. B1 sees the count, picks up the ball & tosses it to the official.
What would you do?

Any casebook play provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Team A is down 4 points with less than 15 seconds on the game clock. A2 scores on a 3 point try... Team A is now down by 1. Team B delays in picking up the ball, the official begins his 5 second count. B1 sees the count, picks up the ball & tosses it to the official.
What would you do?

Any casebook play provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I don't have a casebook play, but I would probably use my hand to knock it back to him and continue the count..have done this before although not in the situation you describe at the end of the game...do you think it was intentional that B was delaying by throwing the ball to the official?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I don't have a casebook play, but I would probably use my hand to knock it back to him and continue the count..have done this before although not in the situation you describe at the end of the game...do you think it was intentional that B was delaying by throwing the ball to the official?

Beat me to it. I take my free hand and knock it down and continue with my count. Done it before and don't see any other way to deal with the situation. I don't try to knock it back though. I just knock it down so I don't accidentally knock it onto the court

-Josh

Thanks for the input. Honestly, I would just step back, let the ball go where it goes as I continue my count. But I'm really looking for a casebook play that says exactly what we should do.
It's got to be out there.


Thanks in advance!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

It's got to be out there.

why would you think that? There's a finite set of rules and cases, but we need to cover an infinite number of possibilities.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

why would you think that?

Wishful thinking good sir.

[Mark Padgett]

This happens quite often at various points during games. I do my best to just jump out of the way of the ball and let it continue on its path with me continuing the count. After you do this once or twice in a game, it doesn't happen anymore. That's how kids learn. If a coach complains, remind him or her that it's their job to teach their kids the rules.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I do my best to just jump out of the way of the ball and let it continue on its path with me continuing the count. After you do this once or twice in a game, it doesn't happen anymore.

Seriously Mark? You are the last one I would expect to post this answer!

Why wouldn't you just catch the ball and toss it back to the player? Getting out of the way and continuing the count is just mean!

In the end of game situation posted, if I thought the player did it on purpose I might call a delay of game, put any time back on the clock, and start the inbound over.

(This should cause some good responses )

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Brad

Seriously Mark? You are the last one I would expect to post this answer! Why wouldn't you just catch the ball and toss it back to the player? Getting out of the way and continuing the count is just mean!
In the end of game situation posted, if I thought the player did it on purpose I might call a delay of game, put any time back on the clock, and start the inbound over.

I've just been sitting back here, reading others' posts, not wanting to take a stand on this obviously controversial, yet with little specific rule, or case situation, backing, issue, but I've decided to give it a shot.

I've had many, many, youth level games, where, especially at the beginning of the season, a confused player, after a made basket, will toss it to the official. I've just tossed it back. So, instinctively, I would probably do the same here.

That's my story, short and simple, and I'm sticking to it until the NFHS comes up with a rule, or case play, specific to this situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Team A is down 4 points with less than 15 seconds on the game clock. A2 scores on a 3 point try... Team A is now down by 1. Team B delays in picking up the ball, the official begins his 5 second count. B1 sees the count, picks up the ball & tosses it to the official.
What would you do?

Any casebook play provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I see three options here.

1. Your option is a good one; letting it roll and continuing the count.

2. Bat it back to him and continue the count. Don't start it over.

3. Stop the clock and re-administer. This defeats B1's purpose and allows A to set up their defense.

Personally, I like all three but prefer #1.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Team A is down 4 points with less than 15 seconds on the game clock. A2 scores on a 3 point try... Team A is now down by 1. Team B delays in picking up the ball, the official begins his 5 second count. B1 sees the count, picks up the ball & tosses it to the official.
What would you do?

Any casebook play provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I don't believe you can just let the ball fly by when all the kid is wanting to do is check the ball to you. It makes you look like an idiot for not catching it, unless of course it is thrown toward the inbounds part of the court which would unlikely if you are where you are supposed to be (on the baseline).

I would treat this like a player in the lane for 2 1/2 seconds and is thrown the ball. You delay the count if he is making a move to the basket. if he passes off then you continue the count.

I would catch the ball throw it to the player and continue the count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I don't believe you can just let the ball fly by when all the kid is wanting to do is check the ball to you. It makes you look like an idiot for not catching it, unless of course it is thrown toward the inbounds part of the court which would unlikely if you are where you are supposed to be (on the baseline).

I would treat this like a player in the lane for 2 1/2 seconds and is thrown the ball. You delay the count if he is making a move to the basket. if he passes off then you continue the count.

I would catch the ball throw it to the player and continue the count.

This is a play where the new inbounder is just staring at the ball, sees the official is counting, then picks it up and throws it towards the official. I'm not delaying anything.

At the end of a game, there's no way the player is throwing it to the official in my game. Either they've already tried it and I've dealt with it, or they've been doing it correctly all game and it's even more obvious that this is an attempt to cheat the system.

Best case scenario, I stop the clock and re-administer the throwin.

If I'm quick enough, I move and let it fly. B1 knows better.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is a play where the new inbounder is just staring at the ball, sees the official is counting, then picks it up and throws it towards the official. I'm not delaying anything.

At the end of a game, there's no way the player is throwing it to the official in my game. Either they've already tried it and I've dealt with it, or they've been doing it correctly all game and it's even more obvious that this is an attempt to cheat the system.

Best case scenario, I stop the clock and re-administer the throwin.

If I'm quick enough, I move and let it fly. B1 knows better.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]I'm ok with this, it shows some common sense to the game.[/COLOR]


if you do this, you will just look like a fool especially when there is no doubt that the player is throwing it to you. Everybody will think "what the hell is he doing, the player is just trying to toss him the ball, what an idiot". I know you might not care about that but it makes the game look better when you don't look like you are trying to be a punk referee, trying to "teach the kid a lesson". Furthermore, what is less advantageous, you killing the play and re-administering or just catching and slapping the ball quickly to the player and continuing your count? The thought of just letting the ball fly by as it is knowingly being thrown to you baffles me????

[Nevadaref]

That's because it doesn't fit within your "pro philosophy."

The fool is the kid who is throwing the ball to the official when he should be making a throw-in. The official is NOT to handle the ball following a made goal. The kid is clearly trying to waste time. If you permit that, then you are contributing to the unfairness.

I'm with Snaqwells on this one.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's because it doesn't fit within your "pro philosophy."

The fool is the kid who is throwing the ball to the official when he should be making a throw-in. The official is NOT to handle the ball following a made goal. The kid is clearly trying to waste time. If you permit that, then you are contributing to the unfairness.

I'm with Snaqwells on this one.

no pro philosophy to it really.... just seems like an unprofessional way to handle the situation by showing up a KID or I would say make him look clueless but I would have to say it makes the official look more clueless than anything. I've never even seen a college official, or a HS official for that matter decline to catch and throw the ball back to the player, granted i'm a lot younger than you both so if you have seen it please let me know, besides you doing it yourself of course.

I don't really see much of an advantage gained here by doing this either and I don't believe gaining extra time to throw the ball in is relevant.

-It doesn't help the new offensive team if the new defensive team is pressing. It just gives the defense a chance to better set up their defensive press.

-If the defense isn't pressing... then what does it matter if he tosses it to you. He won't actually need that full extra 2 seconds it takes for him to toss the ball to you and you toss it right back.

But if you fill it is that pertinent, give the OFFENSIVE TEAM a Delay of Game. Weird and unusual... but if you think it is dead set necessary... by all means.

I've re-read this several times and if it comes off condescending i apologize as that is not my intent. just trying to get my point firmly placed.