Is this correct?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

currently defined as where it was last touched.

got it thanks

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think it backs up the assertion that FC/BC do not exist, per the rules, without team control.

Okay that is simple - I do not think that that would be an assertion though -
that would be fact - since without team control it is only a location on the floor - there is no FC/BC status.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Okay that is simple - I do not think that that would be an assertion though -
that would be fact - since without team control it is only a location on the floor - there is no FC/BC status.

Exactly.

[Nevadaref]

I should have been clearer on the following play.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2. With only six seconds remaining in the game and the score tied, Team A has an endline throw-in. A1's throw-in pass is immediately deflected by B1 who is standing near the endline in the backcourt of Team A. The ball continues IN FLIGHT to midcourt where A3 and B3 commit a double personal foul while going for the ball, but before either player is able to touch it. The official sounds the whistle for the double foul with two seconds left. How is the game resumed?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I do not think that that would be an assertion though - that would be fact

It's an assertion when someone utters or writes it sincerely (non-ironically); the fact is what makes the assertion true.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I should have been clearer on the following play.

I still don't see how BC/FC have any bearing on this play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

It's an assertion when someone utters or writes it sincerely (non-ironically); the fact is what makes the assertion true.

English teacher, writer, or philosopher? Give us a hint. Maybe I don't need a hint, I've already got two clues, a username that includes "Byron", and a signature that contains the British informal goodbye, "Cheers". You're a poet.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I still don't see how BC/FC have any bearing on this play.

Play #2 demonstrates that the ball has a status (FC/BC; inbounds/OOB) that is independent of the players or the concepts of team and player control.

You may look at it as just having a location since neither team is in control or you could say that it is in the FC of one team and the BC of the other whenever it has inbounds status. Your choice.

[Adam]

I think it has location with regard to the most recently scored goal. I disagree that it has FC or BC status.
I've made my decision.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think it has location with regard to the most recently scored goal. I disagree that it has FC or BC status.
I've made my decision.

So when A1's throw-in pass hits B2 in head you are willing to acknowledge that the ball has inbounds status, but not FC or BC status?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So when A1's throw-in pass hits B2 in head you are willing to acknowledge that the ball has inbounds status, but not FC or BC status?

Yep.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep.

I disagree. The (inbounds ball) has FC or BC status -- but it doesn't matter unless there's also Team Control (and the other two requirements for a BC violation to happen).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I disagree. The (inbounds ball) has FC or BC status -- but it doesn't matter unless there's also Team Control (and the other two requirements for a BC violation to happen).

Which is it, then? Whose FC or BC? I don't think you can determine that until you know which team has control.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Which is it, then? Whose FC or BC? I don't think you can determine that until you know which team has control.

I lost ya. We don't need to know who has team control to determine who's backboard/goal is theirs, why should FC/BC be any different?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I lost ya. We don't need to know who has team control to determine who's backboard/goal is theirs, why should FC/BC be any different?

Because Team A's BC is Team B's FC. If the ball is bouncing underneath A's goal, you need to know which team has control to determine whether the ball is in the FC or the BC.