The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Thu Nov 06, 2008, 05:59pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 117
FYI to coaches and parents: Foul counts are not supposed to be equal. 99.9% of the time, the team that fouls more will have more fouls called on them. Things like style of play, aggressiveness, zone/man all play into foul count. Just like layup counts are not supposed to be equal. The team that settles for more long range shots will usually take less layups. Things like style of play, aggressiveness, zone/man all play into layup count. If the refs artificially make the foul counts even to appease those who disregard factors that play into numerically uneven fouls, I would guess the refs would have to artificially make the layup counts even, as well as the 3-pointer count, travel count, etc...

**TWEET!!!** - ref: "Team A has made four 3-pointers this quarter, Team B only has 1. The last two layups will count as 3-points, and the next shot they miss will also count as 3-points regardless if it goes in or not. Just trying to keep it fair and even, calling it both ways. And after this quarter ends, Team A must start the next quarter with two turnovers on their first two possessions. Thank you."
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Thu Nov 06, 2008, 07:06pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,194
If I Didn't Like His Humorous Posts So Much, I'd Kill Him ..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett View Post
We only care about one thing, that at the end of regulation time, one team has at least one point more than the other."
Sigh.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:14am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
While we don't usually want to respond to statements, we do normally want to acknowledge them in some way. As was pointed out already, the coach wants to know that he's been heard. Otherwise his/her frustration level starts to build because he feels you are ignoring him/her.
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 01:15am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref View Post
Coach: "Blah, blah, blah."

Official: "Thank you, coach."

...
Coach: "Blah, blah, blah."

Official: "Thank you, coach."

...
Coach: "Blah, blah, blah."

Official: "Thank you, coach."

...
Coach: "Why do you keep saying, 'Thank you, coach'?"

Official: "Because they won't let me say, 'STFU, coach'!"
Classic
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 03:50am
Whack! Get Out!!!
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Johnson City, TN
Posts: 1,029
Quote:
Originally Posted by cubsfanllw View Post
for us young guys out there, can some of you veterans give us some good responses to some of the standard "coach speak" items. (i.e. "you've called x fouls on them and y on us", "call it both ways", etc.) i know sometimes it is best to just not respond at all, but i'd love to know some things i could say back when i need to to acknowledge that i heard the coach, but not make it worse. any "coach speak" you can think of and your general responses would be really appreciated.
In general you are right to ignore statements. Sometimes coaches won't let it go though. In these cases try something like "OK coach" or "I hear you, coach" as it may simply diffuse the situation.

Legitimate questions deserve an answer. Statements and stupid questions don't.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 07:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NW OH
Posts: 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle View Post
While we don't usually want to respond to statements, we do normally want to acknowledge them in some way. As was pointed out already, the coach wants to know that he's been heard. Otherwise his/her frustration level starts to build because he feels you are ignoring him/her.
So how do we go about doing this? Just an "I hear you coach" or is there a "better" way?
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 08:06am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1
Handling Coaches

If I know the coach I will respond with, " I don't think they are setting illegal screens" or "I'm not keeping track of team fouls coach", in a calm, respectful manner, letting him know I am acknowledging him. Most of the time, the coach just wants to know he has your attention, and usually is o.k. after that for the rest of the game. If I don't know the coach, I will usually go over at a break and ask him what his concern is and that I will watch for that concern. These little things usually pay off big for me the rest of the game. Maybe coaching for quite a few years before becoming an official, gives me an insight to their mindset
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 08:10am
Rich's Avatar
Get away from me, Steve.
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 15,785
I don't have any real problems with coaches anymore, just inexperienced ones who don't take a hint well. Of course, it probably took me 10-15 years to get to this point

A coach saying this will get ignored until he repeats it 2-3 times loud enough for everyone to hear. Then I'll probably put myself in a position where I'm close enough to talk privately to him, let him know I heard him, and also let him know he can talk to us, but yelling across the floor can't happen.

But if it's just a statement made quietly to me, I'll probably not respond or just say something quietly like "I just call them when they happen" and get out of his kitchen.

Some of the coaches who are considered nightmares by many are no problem for me -- they're predictable and just want to be heard and only become nightmares when they are ignored on the court. Easy way to fix that is to look them in the eye and talk to them with confidence and with as little ego as possible.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 08:39am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ohio, cincinnati
Posts: 813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Y2Koach View Post
FYI to coaches and parents: Foul counts are not supposed to be equal. 99.9% of the time,
How dare you spread this kind of propaganda ... and you a coach ...

becareful they may take away your membership card if you keep this up !!
__________________
New and improved: if it's new it's not improved; if it's improved it's not new.
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 07:36pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by truerookie View Post
When I hear this, I normally warned the coach that he/she don't want to go there. However, if they insist on going there.

I ask them nicely two questions:

1. coach, are you saying we are incompetant?
2. coach, are you saying we are cheating?

because, I want to know exactly what this technical fouls is for.

DISCLAIMER: I use these on coaches who are buttholes.
Cubsfan,

I have not reffed much HS or college ball and this might be acceptable at those levels but the league I work in this would not be condoned, period! Always think "professional" when responding. One-liners get you nowhere! Short professional responses keep you out of the soup. Experience, sadly enough, is king in responding skills. If you would like you can PM me and I will email you a responding skills presentation from our league. It will aid you but not give you a "one size fits all" response.
__________________
"players must decide the outcome of the game with legal actions, not illegal actions which an official chooses to ignore."
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 07:47pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,194
As My Hair Gets More Gray, I Give Out Fewer Technical Fouls ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichMSN View Post
I don't have any real problems with coaches anymore, just inexperienced ones who don't take a hint well. Of course, it probably took me 10-15 years to get to this point. Some of the coaches who are considered nightmares by many are no problem for me, they're predictable and just want to be heard and only become nightmares when they are ignored on the court. Easy way to fix that is to look them in the eye and talk to them with confidence and with as little ego as possible.
Same thing for me. I've been doing this for twenty-seven years, and the number of technical fouls that I've had to give to coaches has decreased exponentially over that time period. I walk into the gym, they know me, they know that I'll hustle doing their game. They know that I will treat their game like it's the most important game being played anywhere that night. They know that I will try to communicate with them, if possible, as long as they're not distracting me. They know that if I screw up, that I will admit it, and apologize. If they have a good memory, they will also know that I will penalize unsporting conduct with a technical foul. Experience, and becoming known in your area, makes game management a lot easier. I didn't give a single technical foul to a varsity head coach last season, and only one the previous season. Now assistant coaches, subvarsity coaches, and players, that's a story for another time.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)

Last edited by BillyMac; Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 08:25pm.
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Fri Nov 07, 2008, 08:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdoug View Post
So how do we go about doing this? Just an "I hear you coach" or is there a "better" way?
No, this response is great! Just nodding your head to coaches is not enough most times. After a while, they can think you are supplying them figurative lip service. By committing a verbal response that you have heard the coach it creates more geniuneness that you have actually heard him.
__________________
"players must decide the outcome of the game with legal actions, not illegal actions which an official chooses to ignore."
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Coach goes after visiting coach texaspaul Basketball 2 Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:17pm
Bad coach, good coach BuggBob Softball 21 Wed Jul 11, 2007 06:54pm
Foul B1 , T on coach, another T and coach exits jritchie Basketball 15 Wed Nov 08, 2006 09:02pm
Back in the saddle, so to speak Mark Padgett Basketball 13 Sun Jul 04, 2004 09:17pm
Too Angry to Speak rainmaker Basketball 2 Mon Feb 18, 2002 02:12pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1