Free Throw - Resumption of Play

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BLS

Is there a rule or case number that determines when the violation is called when the ball is placed on the floor during resumption of play for a free throw?

NevadaRef indicates the violation is not called until the free thrower actually enters the semi-circle, or the 10 second count is reached. Team A could call a TO to avoid the violation.

Can someone point me to the rule or case to support that? I can only find 9.3.e which says the the free thrower can't be outside the semi-circle after the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower. Isn't the ball at disposal when the ball is placed on the floor, which means a violation immediately?

Thanks!

I was thinking the same thing. Without looking, I would assume that when the ball is put on the floor, it is at the thrower's disposal so it would be a violation right then.

[Back In The Saddle]

I find it difficult to believe the NFHS really wants us to call a violation for the shooter entering the circle on this. Yeah, I know they could call a time out, but if the NFHS really wants to all but ensure a violation occurs on this, they should simply rule it an immediate violation, like in the new case this year on the thrower fumbling the ball away.

Is the intent really any different than the RPP for a throw-in? It seems to me the point is to put them on the clock and make them hustle over and play ball.

Yes, I realize the case play goes out of its way to call out entering the semi circle. But don't you think if their intention was to put the shooting team in a position where they must either call a time out or violate, that they would have been very clear about that?

I'd really like to see a case play on this exact situation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BLS

Is there a rule or case number that determines when the violation is called when the ball is placed on the floor during resumption of play for a free throw?

NevadaRef indicates the violation is not called until the free thrower actually enters the semi-circle, or the 10 second count is reached. Team A could call a TO to avoid the violation.

Can someone point me to the rule or case to support that? I can only find 9.3.e which says the the free thrower can't be outside the semi-circle after the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower. Isn't the ball at disposal when the ball is placed on the floor, which means a violation immediately?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by zm1283

I was thinking the same thing. Without looking, I would assume that when the ball is put on the floor, it is at the thrower's disposal so it would be a violation right then.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I find it difficult to believe the NFHS really wants us to call a violation for the shooter entering the circle on this. Yeah, I know they could call a time out, but if the NFHS really wants to all but ensure a violation occurs on this, they should simply rule it an immediate violation, like in the new case this year on the thrower fumbling the ball away.

Is the intent really any different than the RPP for a throw-in? It seems to me the point is to put them on the clock and make them hustle over and play ball.

Yes, I realize the case play goes out of its way to call out entering the semi circle. But don't you think if their intention was to put the shooting team in a position where they must either call a time out or violate, that they would have been very clear about that?

I'd really like to see a case play on this exact situation.

In response to all three of you, I would state that there are times when some of the rules simply do not apply. Along this line of thinking, when the RPP is used the rules of the game become a bit different. One needs to pretend that we have left the normal dimension of basketball and entered the RPP-zone!

More concretely, here are a two case plays which illustrate that a team is not to be penalized for some things that would otherwise be infractions (during the normal course of play):

9.2.9 SITUATION:

Following a violation, the official has properly signaled and
awarded a throw-in to Team A at a designated spot. No Team A player comes to
the spot even though the official has allowed ample time for them to respond. The
official then places the ball on the floor and begins the five-second count. (a) Both
A1 and A2 step out of bounds and A1 picks up the ball; or (b) both A1 and A2
step out of bounds and A1 picks up the ball and hands it to A2. RULING: In (a),
A2 must immediately return inbounds. In (b), it is a throw-in violation when A1
hands the ball to A2. (9-2-12)

In part (a) of the above case, the RPP overrides 9-2-11 and A2 is allowed to immediately return inbounds. In the case below the NFHS directly states that the RPP takes precedence over 10-4-4.

10.4.4 SITUATION C: Following a charged time-out the ball is bounced to A1

for a throw-in even though Team B is still gathered at the sideline. The substitutes
are off the bench and the coaches are huddled around the seated players. Should
Team B be charged with a technical foul(s) for substitutes and coaches being off
the bench or outside the optional coaching box?

RULING: No. The resumptionof-
play procedure takes precedence and no penalty is assessed for the other sideline
infractions.