Double foul and shot clock horn

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But they shouldn't have. If the clock stopped properly, the shot clock horn would not have sounded. Does that make a difference?

Can you review the film to see at which point the horn should have sounded? If not, go with the violation. If you can, I'd say fix the clock and go with the arrow.

[Brad]

The POI is the shot clock violation. So report the fouls and then award the ball to Team B on the baseline.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Brad

The POI is the shot clock violation. So report the fouls and then award the ball to Team B on the baseline.

Why is the POI the shot clock violation? If the timer had done his job properly, there wouldn't be a shot clock violation. Right? I'm sure you're right. I just don't know why we extend the POI to a point where the clock should already have been stopped.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why is the POI the shot clock violation? If the timer had done his job properly, there wouldn't be a shot clock violation. Right? I'm sure you're right. I just don't know why we extend the POI to a point where the clock should already have been stopped.

I think the rationale by the NCAA is not to bail out the offense out of what would be a clear violation had the double foul not occurred. So you have 3 possible scenarios:

• shot goes in, awards points to offense, defense gets ball running end line
• shot hits rim but doesn't go in, go to AP arrow
• shot doesn't hit rim, shot clock violation, award ball to defense

The answer Brad gave is definitely correct.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think the rationale by the NCAA is not to bail out the offense out of what would be a clear violation had the double foul not occurred. So you have 3 possible scenarios:

• shot goes in, awards points to offense, defense gets ball running end line
• shot hits rims but doesn't go in, go to AP arrow
• shot doesn't hit rim, shot clock violation, award ball to defense

The answer Brad gave is definitely correct.

This is what I would have expected, and I totally agree with the rationale. However, NCAA 5-10-1 tells us that the shot clock stops on the whistle for a foul. How do you reconcile that?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why is the POI the shot clock violation? If the timer had done his job properly, there wouldn't be a shot clock violation. Right? I'm sure you're right. I just don't know why we extend the POI to a point where the clock should already have been stopped.

I agree with Scrapper -- It's the same question we've always had about the clock stopping "properly" at other than "near the end of the game" (or maybe even then, in non-monitor games). I think that the answer was / is that there really is "lag time".