Hand checking

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by RANCHMAN

In this month’s issue of Referee Magazine, I noticed an article “Hand checking: Get RID of it”. Regarding the high school level the article stated “Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler or offensive players away from the ball.”
My question pertains to advice I have been given from some experienced officials that I should only call a foul if the defensive player is “gaining an advantage” from the hand check. Since the term “gaining an advantage” is defined differently from one official to the next, how do you handle hand checking, so that I can make correct calls this year regarding this subject?
Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.

Use the RSBQ principle which stands for Rhythm Speed Balance and Quickness. If any of these are affected then you call a foul. If the forearm is marginal or is on the players hip once he has got even with him leave it alone as he has already beat the player and has a lane to the basket. Two hands should always be called and a repetitive tactile touch should be called as well. Always recognize the difference in a hand that is used to "size" up the player and a hand that is used to affect the dribblers intended path or freedom of movement.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

a repetitive tactile touch should be called

"Tactile touch" seems a bit repetitive in itself. What exactly would a non-tactile touch be?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Always recognize the difference in a hand that is used to "size" up the player and a hand that is used to affect the dribblers intended path or freedom of movement.

Our association has been instructed differently. We have been instructed that the first "size up" is allowable, but as soon as the second "size up" happens between the same two players on the same possession, it's an easy and automatic foul.

I was told by the new D-1 official sitting next to me that this is the case in NCAA as well.

[jearef]

I think the "powers that be" are of the opinion that we have allowed the principle of "advantage/disadvantage" to evolve far beyond its original intent. We have forgotten the admonition that contact which is likely to lead to rough play should always be penalized. Believing that uncalled handchecks are likely to lead to rough play, here is the advice we have been given in several clinics:

1. If the defender places his hand on the dribbler and leaves it there, it is a foul.

2. If the defender places two hands on the dribbler, it is a foul.

3. If the defender uses his hand to "re-route" the dribbler, it is a foul.

4. If the defender places a forearm on the dribbler, it is a foul.

5. If the defender uses "hot stove" touches on the dribbler, it is a foul.

We have been specifically advised that the former practice of ignoring a hand on a dribbler who is moving east/west should be discarded.

[Coach Bill]

A lot has been mentioned about hands on the ball-handler, but how strict is this point of emphasis going to be away from the ball?

E.g., if a defender has a hand on his man, just keeping a feel for him, as he also keeps an eye on the ball, is this now a foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

...

E.g., if a defender has a hand on his man, just keeping a feel for him, as he also keeps an eye on the ball, is this now a foul?

I have never seen it written anywhere that this should be called a foul.

[Coach Bill]

“Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler or offensive players away from the ball.”

It was written above in the OP.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

“Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler or offensive players away from the ball.”

It was written above in the OP.

That's a quote from Referee Magazine. Is it written the NFHS rule book?

[JRutledge]

All I will say is the rules for incidental contact did not get removed from the rulebook. There must be an advantage to all contact unless the POE changed something. Many will disagree, but this is why some get paid the big bucks and others do not.

Peace

[Adam]

I've never understood the need to "size" someone up. A defender should be able to use his eyes for this purpose. It's not a blind basketball league, in spite of how poor my officiating may be.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have never seen it written anywhere that this should be called a foul.

From an old book Rules 2001-2002
POE 4. Handchecking, Rough play

A. Hands off

• Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler!
• No displacement of a cutter.
• The measuring up of an opponent (tagging) is hand-checking, is not permitted, and is a FOUL.
• Use of a forearm, regardless of the duration of thee contact is A FOUL.
• Hand-checking is not incidental contact; it gives a tremendous advantage to the person illegaly using their hands.
• This applies to both offensive and defensive players.
• Principles involved in incidental contact (Rule 4-27) apply!

Please note that the *Capitalization* and *Punctuation* is shown as written in the book.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mick

From an old book Rules 2001-2002
POE 4. Handchecking, Rough play

A. Hands off

• Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler!
• No displacement of a cutter.
• The measuring up of an opponent (tagging) is hand-checking, is not permitted, and is a FOUL.
• Use of a forearm, regardless of the duration of thee contact is A FOUL.
• Hand-checking is not incidental contact; it gives a tremendous advantage to the person illegaly using their hands.
• This applies to both offensive and defensive players.
• Principles involved in incidental contact (Rule 4-27) apply!

Please note that the *Capitalization* and *Punctuation* is shown as written in the book.

That was my first year of officiating, so I probably wasn't paying too much attention to POE's. I do remember mention of forearms on the post players. But still, I do not see the phrase “Defenders are not permitted to have hands on the dribbler or offensive players away from the ball" in that POE.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by jearef

I think the "powers that be" are of the opinion that we have allowed the principle of "advantage/disadvantage" to evolve far beyond its original intent. We have forgotten the admonition that contact which is likely to lead to rough play should always be penalized. Believing that uncalled handchecks are likely to lead to rough play, here is the advice we have been given in several clinics:

1. If the defender places his hand on the dribbler and leaves it there, it is a foul.

2. If the defender places two hands on the dribbler, it is a foul.

3. If the defender uses his hand to "re-route" the dribbler, it is a foul.

4. If the defender places a forearm on the dribbler, it is a foul.

5. If the defender uses "hot stove" touches on the dribbler, it is a foul.

We have been specifically advised that the former practice of ignoring a hand on a dribbler who is moving east/west should be discarded.

Our interpreter has said NO touching Zero.

[JRutledge]

I am glad I do not have your interpreter.

Peace

[mick]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am glad I do not have your interpreter.

Peace

I agree, Rut.
That "interpreter" is doing an injustice to his officials, ... or there is more to his explanation than "NO touching Zero".