hand checking

[snow54]

What is the rule in HS Ball as to hand checking? I've watch some games where it has been allowed and other games where you can't even touch another player without a foul being called??

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by snow54

What is the rule in HS Ball as to hand checking? I've watch some games where it has been allowed and other games where you can't even touch another player without a foul being called??

Rule or Interpretation? You can read the rule in the rule book. As for how people call it - everyone is different. I allow the defensive player to use the hand to find the offensive player - but they can't use it to guide them (can't keep it there). Also, two hands is an automatic whistle. Again, that's the way I call it.

[Mark Padgett]

I think of it kind of like a "yield sign" in traffic. If the hand impedes the ball handler or causes him to change speed or direction, it's a foul.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I think of it kind of like a "yield sign" in traffic. If the hand impedes the ball handler or causes him to change speed or direction, it's a foul.

I agree and I always try to talk the hand down. Kinda like 3 seconds (whatever that is) - if you talk to them it helps. That is, if they leave it there beyond the "finding" of the player. Hands off guys!

[Adam]

Why do they need a hand to find the player? Their eyes should be sufficient.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

WHat if they're playing with their eyes closed, like this:

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

WHat if they're playing with their eyes closed, like this:

I know people who ref like that. With the eyes closed, I mean.

[Jimgolf]

That's just wrong.

TG they ran out of linoleum.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I allow the defensive player to use the hand to find the offensive player- but they can't use it to guide them (can't keep it there).

The NFHS has stated at least a dozen times in POE's over the years that the defender is gaining an illegal advantage by using that tactic, and it should be called. If they put a hand on and immediately take it off with no displacement after they have found their opponent, then I'd agree that the action isn't gaining an advantage. Before? They are gaining an advantage simply by finding the opponent.

[wfd21]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

WHat if they're playing with their eyes closed, like this:

This guy looks familiar & he needs a pair of fish nets!

[BktBallRef]

This guy needs to go away. No need for such to be posted.

One thing's for sure...makes you wonder what types of websites Whistles & Stripes normally visits.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by wfd21

This guy looks familiar & he needs a pair of fish nets!

Yeah - but he is hiding an illegal logo.

[BillyMac]

Got this from a Forum member last year as part of a pregame conference:

Ball-Handler / Hand-Checking
Two hands on the ball-handler is a foul. Automatic.
One hand that stays on the dribbler is a foul.
Let’s not let a defender ride the dribbler as the ball is coming from backcourt to frontcourt.
Remember SBQ. If the dribbler’s Speed, Balance, or Quickness are affected, we should have a hand-checking foul.

I may have done some editing on it. It's been helpful to me.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Got this from a Forum member last year as part of a pregame conference:

Ball-Handler / Hand-Checking
Two hands on the ball-handler is a foul. Automatic.
One hand that stays on the dribbler is a foul.
Let’s not let a defender ride the dribbler as the ball is coming from backcourt to frontcourt.
Remember SBQ. If the dribbler’s Speed, Balance, or Quickness are affected, we should have a hand-checking foul.

I may have done some editing on it. It's been helpful to me.

You mean RSBQ. Rhythm, Speed, Balance, and Quickness. It was a term developed by NBA personnel

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

You mean RSBQ. Rhythm, Speed, Balance, and Quickness.

I know you're just trying to be complete and accurate, but the "Rhythm" part of the equation was an addition after "SBQ" first started circulating. So Billy's comments may just not have been updated. I attended at camp in '03 where NBA personnel taught us about "SBQ". The next year, the same thing was taught (by the same people) as RSBQ. Personally, I think the "R" is redundant.