Slapping the Backboard: POE

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A POE is issued to simply re-emphasize a rule the committee feels isn't being enforced enough.

They've done little more than waste their breath. What exactly is it that the committee wants? Are we not calling enough of these? Are we calling too many? Are we misapplying the rule in some way? What is their point?

'Cuz I find exactly NO guidance in this POE to help me improve my understanding or calling of this pernicious and pervasive offense.

[wanja]

It's a useful point of emphasis because so many coaches and officials get it wrong. I spoke to a d1 official who took the position (until referred to the rule book) that under NFHS rules, a defensive player slapping the backboard on the side opposite from a shot is basket interference. A high school coach insisted that slapping the backboard must always be a technical foul. His point of reference was a state playoff game ruling and discussion. I wish these were isolated cases, but in my discussions with fellow officials and coaches they are not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by wanja

A high school coach insisted that slapping the backboard must always be a technical foul. His point of reference was a state playoff game ruling and discussion. I wish these were isolated cases, but in my discussions with fellow officials and coaches they are not.

I had this same thing in a varsity hs game. Coach insisted on, even signaled for, a technical foul when his player scored on a fast break and the defense tried to block the layup and ended up slapping the backboard. Purely legitimate attempt to block the shot; same side of the backboard and everything.

Short discussion, he took his timeout (he did signal for one, after all), and we played on.

[vbzebra]

Since I have always been told "the only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked" , here is my "question"......

Not even sure if it matters, but on a "slapping the backboard" play that warrants a "T", who's call is it (2 man crew)? Does it matter?

I would think (notice, I didn't say assume, b/c we all know what happens when we do THAT!) that its the trail's call, since he is supposed to be watching the shot, and the lead is watching stuff underneath the hoop, right? But i guess if genius launches himself up and does a "look at my slapping ability" on the backboard that warrants a T, would it matter who calls it?

I'm probably overthinking this, but I was just curious.......

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

its the trail's call, since he is supposed to be watching the shot, and the lead is watching stuff underneath the hoop, right? But i guess if genius launches himself up and does a "look at my slapping ability" on the backboard that warrants a T, would it matter who calls it?

I would agree with this completely. Primarily the T, but it doesn't matter all that much if the L grabs an obvious one.

[Smitty]

I agree with everyone who is scratching their head as to why that's a POE the way it's written. Perhaps they wanted to just emphasize that it's not basket interference?

[Scrapper1]

I guess I may be oversimplifying it, but if it's a POE, it's because we're not doing a good job of calling it. So call it!

[jdmara]

I believe the POE is being made to draw to the attention of younger officials what is illegal and what is not warranted by the rules. I've seen discussions at camps and calls during those camps in which official's call basketball interference or nothing at all. I think it's a good POE to have every so often because it is a widely misunderstood rule for coaches and players.

Just my $.02

-Josh

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by wanja

It's a useful point of emphasis because so many coaches and officials get it wrong. I spoke to a d1 official who took the position (until referred to the rule book) that under NFHS rules, a defensive player slapping the backboard on the side opposite from a shot is basket interference. A high school coach insisted that slapping the backboard must always be a technical foul. His point of reference was a state playoff game ruling and discussion. I wish these were isolated cases, but in my discussions with fellow officials and coaches they are not.

I do not think I have ever seen anyone screw this rule up at the high school level during a regular game. I can see why it is a POE because coaches yell for this to be a violation often. Then again this is not a very common occurrence either because a lot of players are not playing that high on the rim.

Peace

[jritchie]

Warranted T or not?????
Just before the Toss to start the game, Player A gets back on defense by the basket, I guess to show he can touch the backboard, he is only 5"9", he jumps up with both hands and slaps the backboard, i guess to let everyone know he is hyped and ready to play! I have witnessed him do this several times,not as an official though, and have talked to him about it a couple of times, but yet no one has T'd him for it! Should something like this be T'd and then start the game with free throws, etc???? Just thought I would throw in a good example of "drawing attention to oneself".

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Warranted T or not?????
Just before the Toss to start the game, Player A gets back on defense by the basket, I guess to show he can touch the backboard, he is only 5"9", he jumps up with both hands and slaps the backboard, i guess to let everyone know he is hyped and ready to play! I have witnessed him do this several times,not as an official though, and have talked to him about it a couple of times, but yet no one has T'd him for it! Should something like this be T'd and then start the game with free throws, etc???? Just thought I would throw in a good example of "drawing attention to oneself".

I would say yes, "T" him up.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Just before the Toss to start the game, Player A gets back on defense by the basket, I guess to show he can touch the backboard, he is only 5"9", he jumps up with both hands and slaps the backboard, i guess to let everyone know he is hyped and ready to play!

I guess I'd have to see it. If it's just part of a pre-game ritual to jump and touch the backboard, then I'd probably let it go. If it's really a good "whack" to draw attention, then I might consider the T.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I guess I'd have to see it. If it's just part of a pre-game ritual to jump and touch the backboard, then I'd probably let it go. If it's really a good "whack" to draw attention, then I might consider the T.

10-3-5 Player Technical Foul:
b.) While a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket, intentionally slap or strike the backboard or cause the rim to vibrate.

I hope that you wouldn't consider it a technical foul under 10-3-5, because I doubt that the try or tap was in flight pregame. Maybe you could charge him with a technical foul for some other rule involving unsporting conduct, but I can't think of one right now.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe you could charge him with a technical foul for some other rule involving unsporting conduct, but I can't think of one right now.

Gosh, if only there were a discussion about about slapping the backboard and if it is a technical foul, then we would know the answer. Maybe the NF will even make it a POE so it will be clear in everyone's minds...

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think I have ever seen anyone screw this rule up at the high school level during a regular game. I can see why it is a POE because coaches yell for this to be a violation often.

Peace

I haven't been at this long enough to know the hows or whys the ways the FED works but to further what JRut said above maybe it's not a POE for officials, but rather coaches instead. I don't know how other states approach this, but coaches and officials attend the same state rules meetings in Missouri.