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Spence Mon Sep 15, 2008 08:35pm
Slapping the Backboard: POE
 
I read on the NFHS website that a point of emphasis this year is slapping the backboard but it didn't say what the emphasis was. I'm not an official and I don't have the 08/09 rulebook yet.

Is there something new?

jdmara Mon Sep 15, 2008 08:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spence
I read on the NFHS website that a point of emphasis this year is slapping the backboard but it didn't say what the emphasis was. I'm not an official and I don't have the 08/09 rulebook yet.

Is there something new?
Directly from the NFHS website (http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...mments_POE.pdf)

SLAPPING THE BACKBOARD. The incidents of players slapping the backboard are increasing throughout the country. The rules specify that “intentionally slapping or striking the backboard” is a technical foul (10-3-5). The spirit and intent of that rule is to penalize a player for drawing attention to him/herself or as a means of venting frustration. A player who strikes the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block a try for goal should not be penalized. Basket interference cannot be ruled in either of the above situations. Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6).

-Josh

BktBallRef Mon Sep 15, 2008 09:07pm
What a revelation!! Other than telling us that the number of incidents is increasing, all they did was quote the rule and case books. WHy even bother?

Spence Mon Sep 15, 2008 09:13pm
When there is a POE is it simply to re-emphasize the existing rule or is there sometimes a wording change?

Adam Mon Sep 15, 2008 09:34pm
A POE is issued to simply re-emphasize a rule the committee feels isn't being enforced enough.

BillyMac Mon Sep 15, 2008 09:38pm
Who You Gonna Call ? Mythbusters ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spence
I read on the NFHS website that a point of emphasis this year is slapping the backboard but it didn't say what the emphasis was.
Good time to destroy another myth:

Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

Back In The Saddle Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
A POE is issued to simply re-emphasize a rule the committee feels isn't being enforced enough.
They've done little more than waste their breath. What exactly is it that the committee wants? Are we not calling enough of these? Are we calling too many? Are we misapplying the rule in some way? What is their point?

'Cuz I find exactly NO guidance in this POE to help me improve my understanding or calling of this pernicious and pervasive offense.

Back In The Saddle Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spence
When there is a POE is it simply to re-emphasize the existing rule or is there sometimes a wording change?
A POE is meant to emphasize an existing rule. They will sometimes elaborate on the intent of the rule. They will sometimes enumerate specific instances they want to see called more consistently. They will sometimes use different words. But the intent is always to emphasize the existing rule.

The committee never, ever, under any circumstances changes a rule in a POE. Except when occasionally they do ;)

wanja Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:33pm
It's a useful point of emphasis because so many coaches and officials get it wrong. I spoke to a d1 official who took the position (until referred to the rule book) that under NFHS rules, a defensive player slapping the backboard on the side opposite from a shot is basket interference. A high school coach insisted that slapping the backboard must always be a technical foul. His point of reference was a state playoff game ruling and discussion. I wish these were isolated cases, but in my discussions with fellow officials and coaches they are not.

Nevadaref Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmara
Directly from the NFHS website (http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...mments_POE.pdf)

SLAPPING THE BACKBOARD. The incidents of players slapping the backboard are increasing throughout the country. The rules specify that “intentionally slapping or striking the backboard” is a technical foul (10-3-5). The spirit and intent of that rule is to penalize a player for drawing attention to him/herself or as a means of venting frustration. A player who strikes the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block a try for goal should not be penalized. Basket interference cannot be ruled in either of the above situations. Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6).

-Josh
I have a copy of the new rules book and that is the exact wording given in the POE on page 69.
Additionally, the text of the actual rule (10-3-4b) has not changed for this coming season.

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 16, 2008 07:49am
I've seen the NFHS powerpoint on the new rules and POEs. And one of the slides shows a player hitting the backboard on the opposite side from where the shot was taken. When there is obviously no play on the ball, I guess they feel that we aren't calling it enough.

jritchie Tue Sep 16, 2008 08:45am
If the ball is in or above the cylinder when the backboard is slapped and it causes it to shake out, couldn't that be called basket interference?
"Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6)."

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 16, 2008 08:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by jritchie
If the ball is in or above the cylinder when the backboard is slapped and it causes it to shake out, couldn't that be called basket interference?
In a word, no.

The answer is in the very definition you quoted:

Quote:
"Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6)."
The only way to have BI is to touch the ball or the basket in certain situations. The backboard is neither the ball nor the basket. Therefore, it's never BI.

jdmara Tue Sep 16, 2008 09:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1
In a word, no.

The answer is in the very definition you quoted:


The only way to have BI is to touch the ball or the basket in certain situations. The backboard is neither the ball nor the basket. Therefore, it's never BI.
Agreed, impossible to have BI when someone slaps the backboard

-Josh

Raymond Tue Sep 16, 2008 09:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by jritchie
If the ball is in or above the cylinder when the backboard is slapped and it causes it to shake out, couldn't that be called basket interference?
"Basket interference only occurs if the ball is interfered with while in the cylinder above the basket ring or by touching either the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket (4-6)."
You can't ignore this wording:

The incidents of players slapping the backboard are increasing throughout the country. The rules specify that “intentionally slapping or striking the backboard” is a technical foul (10-3-5). The spirit and intent of that rule is to penalize a player for drawing attention to him/herself or as a means of venting frustration. A player who strikes the backboard in a legitimate attempt to block a try for goal should not be penalized. Basket interference cannot be ruled in either of the above situations.


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