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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 04:46pm
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Out of sheer curiosity, mu4scott, what level do you officiate?
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 04:48pm
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 04:55pm
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Home vs. Visitor exists and is something we need to be aware of....... not use to assist in judgement.

I realize I made some broad generalizations in prior posts.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:05pm
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Home vs. Visitor exists and is something we need to be aware of....... not use to assist in judgement.

What do you mean when you say "be aware of" ?
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:14pm
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What do you mean when you say "be aware of" ?
Game awareness.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:18pm
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Game awareness is about knowing the situation in the game. It does not mean changing the basic fundamental things about what you were doing. If I know a coach has a stick up his behind, I might address him differently. But I am still going to call what I feel I need to and work my game. I am not going to sacrifice my judgment on a couple of plays to make a coach happy. They are never happy anyway. I really do not see why so many worry about it.

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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:27pm
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Game awareness is about knowing the situation in the game. It does not mean changing the basic fundamental things about what you were doing. If I know a coach has a stick up his behind, I might address him differently. But I am still going to call what I feel I need to and work my game. I am not going to sacrifice my judgment on a couple of plays to make a coach happy. They are never happy anyway. I really do not see why so many worry about it.

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I agree. When we start letting outside factors influence our Judgement we run into trouble. Coaches do have input in the evaluation process in a lot of areas and I think some officials are too worried about likability. Which all coaches hate us anyway even though they may be cordial to our face. I have found that if you communicate well with the benches and work hard, the saner coaches will recognize and respect that. There are some crazies that probably should be in a mental asylum.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:34pm
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Game awareness.
So, a part of your game awareness is to be cognizant of which team is home and which team is visitor because.......??
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:50pm
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I agree. When we start letting outside factors influence our Judgement we run into trouble.
Then why are you insisting that we have to be aware of who the home and the visitors are?

You're confusing the hell outa me with these contradictory statements, Tio.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 05:58pm
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Then why are you insisting that we have to be aware of who the home and the visitors are?

You're confusing the hell outa me with these contradictory statements, Tio.
It is clear I cannot express my point to you and Justanotherref. Listen to the Welmer clip...... the whole point of this conversation. I don't mind the fact that I agree with his philosophy. Go ahead and formulate your own opinion and if you don't agree with me that is fine.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 06:13pm
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It is clear I cannot express my point to you and Justanotherref. Listen to the Welmer clip...... the whole point of this conversation. I don't mind the fact that I agree with his philosophy. Go ahead and formulate your own opinion and if you don't agree with me that is fine.

You haven't made a point. You say you need to be aware of home/visitors, but you cannot give a reason why?
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 06:22pm
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The only reason I can see to be aware of "home vs. visitor" is to make sure they're wearing the correct jerseys. Other than that, I couldn't care less - and I certainly don't let it affect my calls or the way I treat each team and/or their coaching staff.

If the visitors don't like being booed by the disproportionate number of home fans, they should have stayed in bed. What's that got to do with how an official should call the game? I'll answer my own question - nothing!
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 06:26pm
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You haven't made a point. You say you need to be aware of home/visitors, but you cannot give a reason why?
Have you ever worked a rivalry game?
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 06:30pm
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Have you ever worked a rivalry game?
Yes, and one team was home and the other, visitors. With you so far.
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Old Thu Aug 21, 2008, 07:43pm
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It is clear I cannot express my point to you and Justanotherref.

Go ahead and formulate your own opinion and if you don't agree with me that is fine.
Um no, the problem us that you made TWO different points that are completely conflicting and contradictory.

It's kinda tough to agree with your opinion when you don't seem to agree with your own opinion either.
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