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Block 38 64.41%
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 04:01am
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Poll: What do you have?

Okay, ignoring the OBVIOUS TRAVEL at the beginning...

What do you have at the other end?

And I've made the votes public - just for fun

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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 06:06am
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Player Control foul.





Wait, sorry - I voted block.
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 08:32am
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Player Control foul.





Wait, sorry - I voted block.
C'mon now, you gotta be consistent.
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 09:16am
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I had a no-call on the other side of the board, gotta stick with it here.
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C'mon now, you gotta be consistent.
Yabut, I change my mind at the other end of the court, too, which is why I am consistent.

(I went from block to player control. I mean, c'mon, it was a 49-51 call.)
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I have an issue that you are saying there was an obvious travel. When you do not see the ball, how do you know if there is control or there is not a bobble. It is not proper to call a travel just on the basis of someone's feet.

I think I have stated what my position on this contact was enough already.

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Rut, to me, it "looks" like a travel before he dribbles. After he picks up the dribble, he travels again; this time we see the ball well enough for the call. Traveling was obviously not a priority for the officials here, as the white player did it on the put-back attempt.
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Rut, to me, it "looks" like a travel before he dribbles. After he picks up the dribble, he travels again; this time we see the ball well enough for the call. Traveling was obviously not a priority for the officials here, as the white player did it on the put-back attempt.
It is probably a travel. But you cannot see the ball at all. And I would hope that people are not calling travels on what they think. The official has a clearly view of the ball than we do and he did not call anything. It is very possible he missed it, but not clear based on the angle we are shown. That is all I am saying.

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Rut, to me, it "looks" like a travel before he dribbles. After he picks up the dribble, he travels again; this time we see the ball well enough for the call. Traveling was obviously not a priority for the officials here, as the white player did it on the put-back attempt.
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I have an issue that you are saying there was an obvious travel. When you do not see the ball, how do you know if there is control or there is not a bobble. It is not proper to call a travel just on the basis of someone's feet.

I think I have stated what my position on this contact was enough already.

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I think the guy actually travels twice. When he catches the ball he obviously shuffles his feet, but you can't see the ball at this point, so who knows? But when he turns toward the camera, clearly holding the ball, he steps into the lane with his right foot followed by his left foot, which also returns to the floor before the shot.
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 02:04pm
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I think the guy actually travels twice. When he catches the ball he obviously shuffles his feet, but you can't see the ball at this point, so who knows? But when he turns toward the camera, clearly holding the ball, he steps into the lane with his right foot followed by his left foot, which also returns to the floor before the shot.
That's what I saw.
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I think the guy actually travels twice. When he catches the ball he obviously shuffles his feet, but you can't see the ball at this point, so who knows? But when he turns toward the camera, clearly holding the ball, he steps into the lane with his right foot followed by his left foot, which also returns to the floor before the shot.
When I think I see a travel, I do not make any call. I only call what I see clearly as a travel. That is my basic philosophy on calling travels. At least for me that works.

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When I think I see a travel, I do not make any call. I only call what I see clearly as a travel. That is my basic philosophy on calling travels. At least for me that works.

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Well if, with the chance to look at this play repeatedly on tape, you can't clearly see a travel, then apparently you don't call many.
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Old Fri Aug 08, 2008, 02:42pm
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Geez, Rut, you're picking on words now.
JAR saying he "thinks" the guy traveled is like you saying that, "in your opinion" he traveled. Frankly, I saw enough on the video to call it on the 2nd one. The first one, with his back to the camera, I couldn't call because I can't see if he has control of the ball. In my opinion, the 2nd one is clear, though.
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