Poll: What do you have?

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand. The officials passed on the play for a reason. I know you think you are the best official alive and you can see things that officials on the game cannot see, because you can slow down the tape and watch it over and over again. :

Peace

Now how do you know the lead passed on the traveling for a reason? Is there a possibility that he missed the traveling because he's too close to the play? When working the 2 person game, the T should normally work wider and deeper to get a better angle of the play (depending on the location of the ball and players). For 3 person, the Lead are trained to officiate upper body, waist to shoulders, and let the Trail assist you with the feet (traveling).

Judging from the lead's position from the start of this play, I can guess that these two officals are not very experienced. First, the lead was working too close to the "closeline" spot when the ball is outside of the 3pt line. I would probably have my outside shoulder, the left shoulder, align with the ball so I can officiate both the ball and while using my peripheral on the second competitive matchup (post up players). When the post player receives the ball and makes a move towards the basketball, he's moving with the players in a straight line as opposed to moving away from them to get create an angle to officiate the shot.

As for the Trail (new lead) , any experience official would probably stop at about the top of the key to somewhere around the ft line extended get an angle to see between the dribbler and defender. He obviously didn't know when to stop and was straightline. So is it that they are passing on the fouls/violation, or is it that they don't have enough experience and skills like Rut to call the play???

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Now how do you know the lead passed on the traveling for a reason? Is there a possibility that he missed the traveling because he's too close to the play? When working the 2 person game, the T should normally work wider and deeper to get a better angle of the play (depending on the location of the ball and players). For 3 person, the Lead are trained to officiate upper body, waist to shoulders, and let the Trail assist you with the feet (traveling).

I realize that it is hard for you to understand. But when people make calls or do not make calls, there is a reason. The reason might be as simple as they did not see the play. Or the reason could be they saw the entire play and did not think it was a violation. Or they may say I missed the play and should have called a violation. That is why the common question I ask when working a camp is, “What did you see?” Their answer tells me why they decided to make a call or not make a call.

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

When working the 2 person game, the T should normally work wider and deeper to get a better angle of the play (depending on the location of the ball and players). For 3 person, the Lead are trained to officiate upper body, waist to shoulders, and let the Trail assist you with the feet (traveling).

I have no idea what is expected in your area, but where I am from we do not teach the Trail to be looking at a play on the other side of the lane away from the trail (that is not in the trouble area of course). And we do not teach the "upper body, lower body" mechanic either. You call what is in your primary, not just a part of the body. That is not even taught at the college level or at the camps I have attended in the last several years.

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Judging from the lead's position from the start of this play, I can guess that these two officals are not very experienced. First, the lead was working too close to the "closeline" spot when the ball is outside of the 3pt line. I would probably have my outside shoulder, the left shoulder, align with the ball so I can officiate both the ball and while using my peripheral on the second competitive matchup (post up players). When the post player receives the ball and makes a move towards the basketball, he's moving with the players in a straight line as opposed to moving away from them to get create an angle to officiate the shot.

I do not necessarily agree with that statement either. Then again we all have differences in what we see as important.

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

As for the Trail (new lead) , any experience official would probably stop at about the top of the key to somewhere around the ft line extended get an angle to see between the dribbler and defender. He obviously didn't know when to stop and was straightline. So is it that they are passing on the fouls/violation, or is it that they don't have enough experience and skills like Rut to call the play???

You are making these absolutes based on one play. Two person is not even something many experienced officials I even see work. So to suggest that any experienced official would be working one way on a play deep in the Lead's primary is a stretch. But then again, what do I know. I actually am in a position to teach mechanics in my state and run clinics. So I guess I should just throw out all I know and have been told to focus on, and take you position. It sounds like you cannot understand why I feel differently than you, and try to justify it by talking about what the mechanics of the officials were. I keep saying this was one call in one game. I think I would need to view more of the game to judge someone's experience level. I do not even know what offense or defenses are being run. But then again, you are the expert.

Peace