end of game, scoring a bucket for the other team

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

Good, competitive boys' varsity game, team A turned the ball over on their last possession and was down by 4 with no more than two seconds left. Team B inbounded the ball and scored a layup on team A's goal, so the game ended with team B ahead by 2.

How much of a stretch is it to call an unsporting T on team B? In this situation, since team A simply gave team B a free inbounds it seems correct to let it go, but I would be interested in hearing any opinions on why/when this might be handled differently. Thanks.

A thought provoking scenario.

Is the coach of Team B is attempting to use the alloted 5-seconds for the ensuing throw-in to run out the clock because his opponent is out of time-outs?

If so, that is clever, but also not in the spirit of fair play. He is clearly attempting to gain an advantage not intended by the rules.

I doubt that I would have to resort to an unsporting technical foul though. I believe that the situation could simply be handled by blowing the whistle which stops the clock, and then clearly indicating to the teams their proper directions and then restarting play.

BTW that procedure is in the Simplified & Illustrated book.

[Texas Aggie]

Not sure I understand the question. Are you saying Team B, ahead, scored at A's basket so they could have the 5 second count throw in and run out the clock? If so, this is a non-issue since you stop the clock when team B scores at A's basket. Award B a throw in allowing them to run the baseline. No need for a T here and this doesn't allow them to gain an unfair advantage.

[Nevadaref]

Is there an echo in here?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If so, that is clever.......

Clever is not the first word that occurs to me. This coach felt a need to pull a stunt like this to protect a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Clever is not the first word that occurs to me. This coach felt a need to pull a stunt like this to protect a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left?

That was my thought, too, justa. But I didn't want to give everybody an easy shot at telling me I was too dense to figure it out.

[Adam]

Frankly, I don't see how this is at all advantageous to the leading team. With a 4 point lead, have your PG hold the ball once it's passed in and just stand there. Worst case, he gets fouled, shoots free throws, and they still have a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left and a full court to travel.

Throwing the ball in the air would be more advantageous. Worst case, defense catches it and makes a three pointer; game over with a single point win.

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

Most likely, just blow it dead, do the directional announcement thing; and when coach asks what you're doing just tell him you thought the kids were confused so you made sure everyone had it right. What's he going to say? "My kids weren't confused."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Frankly, I don't see how this is at all advantageous to the leading team. With a 4 point lead, have your PG hold the ball once it's passed in and just stand there. Worst case, he gets fouled, shoots free throws, and they still have a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left and a full court to travel.

Throwing the ball in the air would be more advantageous. Worst case, defense catches it and makes a three pointer; game over with a single point win.

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

Most likely, just blow it dead, do the directional announcement thing; and when coach asks what you're doing just tell him you thought the kids were confused so you made sure everyone had it right. What's he going to say? "My kids weren't confused."

There's no drama in this method though.

Imagine the excitement if you call a taunting T!

[just another ref]

Bottom line: I cannot envision the situation where scoring for the other team, intentionally or otherwise, would result in a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Bottom line: I cannot envision the situation where scoring for the other team, intentionally or otherwise, would result in a technical foul.

It would need to be accompanied by some other actions or words, or it would have to be the culmination of other things. Would I be likely to call it? Not unless the situation was extreme and warranted it.

But I can envision it. Kids can get creative with this stuff.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

I took it to be celebratory and a bit taunting, then, to take a last-minute layup at your opponent's basket. It wasn't the right context for a T but it did seem arguable. I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal. It made me wonder about under what circumstances a T might be a correct call, if ever... probably would have to be accompanied by some other gestures.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal.

I think I speak for us all when I say: HUH?

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think I speak for us all when I say: HUH?

Huh, what? They inbounded the ball, wanted another shot at a basket but were not going to get off a shot at their own basket before the buzzer, so they laid it in the opponent's basket... what was unclear about hat?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I took it to be celebratory and a bit taunting, then, to take a last-minute layup at your opponent's basket. It wasn't the right context for a T but it did seem arguable. I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal. It made me wonder about under what circumstances a T might be a correct call, if ever... probably would have to be accompanied by some other gestures.

It seems more celebratory to me. Sounds like a word to the coach might be in order, but since I'd be bee-lining for the door at the buzzer, I doubt I'd say anything.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like a word to the coach might be in order, but since I'd be bee-lining for the door at the buzzer, I doubt I'd say anything.

You mean you didn't hang around to watch the postgame handshake? I bet the game wasn't in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It seems more celebratory to me.

Rookies take note. If the ball is shot before the buzzer goes off, but doesn't enter the basket until after the buzzer sounds, the basket doesn't count, because it's not a legal try. And, of course, if a player is confused enough to foul the shooter ... Never mind, my head is starting to hurt.