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Interesting situation in a summer league game
This happened Monday night:
End of the game, 10 seconds left, Team A is winning by two points. Team A is in-bounding after a Team B made basket. Team A attempts the double pass play. As A1 attempts to throw the ball to A2 OOB on the baseline the pass hits R1 in the side of the head. The ball then rolls onto the court where A3 touches it. B1 then grabs the loose ball and scores a layup to tie the game. R1 is dazed and U1 takes an official's timeout. During the timeout team A coach is livid and says that the play should have been blown dead by U1 when the ball hit R1 and then rolled onto the court. R1 and U1 decide that the play stands, Team A goes on to win in overtime
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It was a learning experience for everyone involved.
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Couple of questions...
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R1 was properly positioned? And R1 was OOB? Please clarify, because I'm having a hard time figuring out the logistics. Quote:
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Yes, U1 shoulda blown the play dead. Being new and clueless, he didn't. Yes, the R should have reset the throw-in. He didn't either.
As Rocky said, the officials should learn from it and the coach just has to deal with it. Juggler, that's exactly what I'd tell a coach if a complaint was put in. The standard response is "sh!t happens". |
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If the official was right, you back them 100%. If they screwed up, admit it. Officials are human. They make mistakes. The good ones learn from it and don't repeat those mistakes. Coaches will accept that if you're honest and straight-forward with them. It works both ways too. They also have to accept it when you tell them that their behavior isn't acceptable either. And a coach going postal after an official makes a wrong call is never acceptable--anywhere. Last edited by Jurassic Referee; Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:42pm. |
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R1 bounced A1 the ball, A1 ran a few steps to his right, R1 had backed away from A1 for his count. A2 ran OOB behind R1, A1 turned and fired the ball back to the middle of the court OOB to A2 but R1 was standing right in the line of fire and got hit For their 2 man mechanics R1 was in the proper place, albeit it at the wrong time. In a larger gym he would have had more room to back away from the end line but the wall was right there.
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So for my learning purposes....
We are saying that it was not a legal throw in...I have in my mind that the ref is part of the playing surface in bounds or out...so if he was OOB and the ball hit him, we have a change of posession...No? |
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So (rhetorical question alert), what's the ruling if inbounder A1 releases the ball such that it hits the court out-of-bounds and goes onto the court? |
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You can probably make a case for either of two scenarios: 1) Call it a throw-in, and the whole play stands if the ball didn't bounce OOB .....which means that the team A coach goes nuts. 2) Call it a pass with inadvertent interference by the R and reset the throw-in....which means that the team B coach goes nuts. No matter what, the officials have got someone mad at 'em....even though they're the victim of a gym with a small OOB area. A reset seems like the logical and fair solution to me. Of course, that's jmo. Others may disagree. I have no idea either how the officials can really avoid having a play like this happen, under the circumstances described. I'll have to leave that explanation up to Juggler. |
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When the ball hit the R, it was not dead immediately: that was no different than if A1 was executing a bounce pass along the endline to A2 (referee is part of the court at the location of the referee). If after hitting the R, the ball remained on the OOB side of the line...A1, A2 or any other A player (who was OOB along the throwin boundary) could grab the ball and complete the throwin. However, the ball didn't remain OOB, it deflected inbounds. At that point, it became a throwin violation for not throwing it directly onto the court (it hit OOB...the ref...before going inbounds). The ball was dead when it bounced inbounds. The clock should have never started and B1's basket was with a dead ball. B's ball OOB nearest the violation.
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[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]Yes, U1 shoulda blown the play dead. Being new and clueless, he didn't. Yes, the R should have reset the throw-in. He didn't either.QUOTE]
if you "reset" the play does it now become a spot throw in? |
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