I know it's summer league, but...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Knowledgable people can tell when you're working hard or just going through the motions.

Gee, I wanna be one of them knowledgeable people when I grow up too.

My take? There's one heckuva big difference between not switching in summer ball and actual lack of hustle. Jmo but I think that maybe some people you might call fairly knowledgeable are looking to see if the the officials are hustling to keep up with the play, hustling to get into position and hustling to stay in position. What they do before play actually starts might sometimes even fall into the realm of...gasp...false hustle.

I personally kinda put switching in the summer in the same grab-bag as foul-reporting mechanics. I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

I know....heresy.....but also my opinion.

That's straight from an assignor folks!

And I can dig it JR, because I don't switch on every foul nor do I come to a complete stop when reporting as most summer leagues have a running clock. I like to give 'em their moneys worth.

FTR, I was addressing the "it's just summer league" attitude in general.

And letting the OPer know that there is always something we could be working on regardless of level, gender, partners experience or lack therof & season of play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I hear ya JRut, although the situations aren't exactly the same shouldn't our approach & work ethic be the same?

You are what you consistently do...

If we go hard in practice situations (off-season) wouldn't it be that much easier when the real deal (season) comes around?

Fighter pilots have said that their simulations for war time are so intense that when they actually go into combat it's a calm feeling as they have been here before.

From what I understand in a simulation for fighter, they see situations they will have to deal with during a combat situation. The problem with summer ball, there are many situations that are not like the real season. I know many league I work we do not even handle foul situations the same and often FTs are not shot until late in the game. It is often unrealistic to use all the mechanics when you do not use all the rules that might apply to normal game situations.

What you need to work on the most is what you call. I use summer games for calling plays and getting my judgment right. I work on being consistent on calling my game, looking off ball and using my signal mechanics when appropriate. Things like table reporting and following certain rules are almost out of the question. The last thing I am worried about is switching in those games. Unless I am working a camp, I am not going to be using 3 Person mechanics during the summer anyway.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What you need to work on the most is what you call.

That sums it up nicely.

Maybe another way to express it might be that you should work on the parts of your game that you feel maybe aren't as strong as other parts.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What you need to work on the most is what you call. I use summer games for calling plays and getting my judgment right. I work on being consistent on calling my game, looking off ball and using my signal mechanics when appropriate. Things like table reporting and following certain rules are almost out of the question. The last thing I am worried about is switching in those games. Unless I am working a camp, I am not going to be using 3 Person mechanics during the summer anyway.

Peace

I believe we're on the same page sir (see post #17)
as I was mainly addressing the "it's just summer ball" mentality.
IMO, The OPs partner could've said it in a better way...
It's just summer ball allows for many different interpretaions & perceptions.

[Raymond]

I just come out and say "we're not switching on every foul".

[truerookie]

[quote=Jurassic Referee]I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I just come out and say "we're not switching on every foul".

Good point! For me in the lead position I would switch when calling a foul IN trail I just report and put the ball back in place.

[JRutledge]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Originally Posted by truerookie

[Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

What are you going to do if there are no personal fouls kept? Foul reporting is not nearly as vital (in the summer) than what you call.

Peace

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Foul reporting is not nearly as vital (in the summer) than what you call.

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

This is where I disagree with you. How you present yourself on foul calls is just as important as anything you do when it comes to presentation (uniform, signals, presence). People are looking for your confidence to determine the competence as an official. You are always going to have people that disagree with a call or two even when you are right. The presentation is the way you communicate the call to the world and that is very important. Also it is important because if you cannot present the proper information, then you might have to clean up a mess you are not able to easily handle.

Peace

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by jsblanton

I find it tough to try to work on my mechanics during summer league games when my partners don't have any desire to switch on fouls, bump and run etc. I get very aggrivated at these refs that tell me, "It's just summer league". I guess there is no point to my post, just venting. I finally did say something when my partner inbounded the ball in the backcourt when she was supposed to be the new lead. Oh well. I guess the real problem is, my assignor has a son playing in the league and He is there every day watching. I hope he understands.

Oh man, do I know how you feel. I am young, and yet not old enough to do high school, so when I do summer league and all that, I try to imagine it just like any other high school that I may do. However, I too run into problems where the refs wont change out of position. Whereas too I can't stand it. I do though, work on other things such as mechanics, signals, etc. So yea, I know how you feel.

-Lucas

[truerookie]

[quote=Ch1town]

Originally Posted by truerookie

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

I agree with this statement.