UNC/Kansas

[BktBallRef]

The people who are running their mouths aren't critics, they're ABC'ers. That's why they're critical of him.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

...To illustrate, how many D-1 coaches passed Stephen Curry?

Curry was all but begging to go to Virginia Tech and Greenburg didn't want him.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Wow, pretty fired up BktBallRef. All I was saying is that the media coverage has been excessive in covering his work ethic and desire. I said earlier, I really like Hansbrough, believe he deserved POY honors, and enjoy watching him play.

But, if you don't believe his "work ethic" and "want-to" have been hiped to an extreme, I guess we've been watching different TV. I think it's what makes his critics more passionate than they would be otherwise.

This is where I will agree and disagree. Tyler's work ethic has been broadcast a lot. Now, your a smart guy. Let's think about how many excellent players that Coach Williams has coached...a bunch. I don't think he is going to make up things about Tyler's work ethic that are not true. He had a kid on the 05 team, Rashad McCants, that was one of the most talented offensive players to play at UNC and you didn't hear Roy say anything about him, other than he didn't apply himself enough. You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic. Beasley has talent..a trait that will take him a long way...but until he learns to develop that work ethic he will be no more than a middle of the road NBA player. The point I'm making about Tyler is that his work ethic, as commented on by Pitino, is like few that have ever played the game. That alone will lead to a productive career and big bucks. I heard a comment from Roy that last year when he set his career high in scoring (i think agains GT), it was a Friday or Saturday game in which he scored 42 points, that Tyler was up and in the gym by 7am by himself and worked on his game for about 2 hrs.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic.

I'm not sure I should wade back into this thread, but I will to say two things: one, I think Hansbrough obviously has an incredible work ethic and drive. Absolutely agree. Is it the best the game has ever seen? Doubt it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work really hard. Are there other guys out there up at 7 am in the gym on game day? Yes. Are there other, lesser-talented guys that work really hard and hustle like Tyler? I think probably so.

That said, he's done great things this year and deserves his awards. My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.

As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

1) My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.
2) As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

Can you represent me in court if needed?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can you represent me in court if needed?

Did you just call me a lawyer?

Dem's fightin' words!

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it.

1) Just because somebody says something, that doesn't make it true.
2) Just because somebody says something, that does make it true.

Interesting argument you're making to support your POV......

Just saying.......

You couldn't be further from the truth. Nate said:

You don't hear Beasley coach talking about his work ethic.

I was simply responding that yes, in fact, Beasley's coach does talk about his work ethic, and in a positive way at that.

Doesn't make the coach's statement true or false, but it certainly makes Nate's statement false.

Would I try to make the arguement that Beasley works as hard as Hansbrough? Nope. But he may. He didn't get as good as he is by accident, so he's obviously worked hard on his game.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I'm not sure I should wade back into this thread, but I will to say two things: one, I think Hansbrough obviously has an incredible work ethic and drive. Absolutely agree. Is it the best the game has ever seen? Doubt it, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work really hard. Are there other guys out there up at 7 am in the gym on game day? Yes. Are there other, lesser-talented guys that work really hard and hustle like Tyler? I think probably so.

That said, he's done great things this year and deserves his awards. My only comment is that the extreme level of coverage of his "desire" and "heart" and "hustle" have created a bit of a backlash among basketball fans who don't think his POY Awards were a slam dunk.

As for the quote I highlighted above, Frank Martin has commented many, many times in the media this year that Michael Beasley has a terrific work ethic and comes to practice every day to compete. So, your statement is completely untrue.

Two things. First, Hansborogh's career high game came on a Saturday night. He was in the gym at 7am the next morning, by himself, like I said already. That's dedication. Are there others who work as hard as Tyler?? Probably a few, but I'd say that most that work as hard as he does aren't A) as talented B) in college. You don't find many that are as good as he is, that work as hard as he does.

As for Beasley, I'm sure he does exactly like Coach Martin says....he shows up and works really hard IN PRACTICE. There are several thousand kids that do this. I can go to my local Division III college and see a bunch of kids working their asses off in practice. I don't think that's what Pitino, Williams, or anyone else is referring to.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You couldn't be further from the truth. Nate said:

I was simply responding that yes, in fact, Beasley's coach does talk about his work ethic, and in a positive way at that.

Doesn't make the coach's statement true or false, but it certainly makes Nate's statement false.

Would I try to make the arguement that Beasley works as hard as Hansbrough? Nope. But he may. He didn't get as good as he is by accident, so he's obviously worked hard on his game.

Obviously Beasley has worked on his game. When did that become the question?? I'd say there's probabaly a really good reason that Beasley ended up at K-State and not Kansas, Duke, UNC, Texas, UCLA, Memphis, ...the traditional powers.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Obviously Beasley has worked on his game. When did that become the question?? I'd say there's probabaly a really good reason that Beasley ended up at K-State and not Kansas, Duke, UNC, Texas, UCLA, Memphis, ...the traditional powers.

Yes, there is a good reason: his AAU coach was hired as an assistant at Charlotte, and Beasley committed to Charlotte. Then his AAU coach was hired away from Charlotte by Kansas State, and Beasley committed (and signed) with Kansas State.

Suggesting that KU, Duke, UNC, Texas, UCLA and Memphis wouldn't have wanted Beasley is ridiculous.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you just call me a lawyer?

Dem's fightin' words!

UHhh.....eerr........I meant on the court.....yeh, that's it

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Yes, there is a good reason: his AAU coach was hired as an assistant at Charlotte, and Beasley committed to Charlotte. Then his AAU coach was hired away from Charlotte by Kansas State, and Beasley committed (and signed) with Kansas State.

Suggesting that KU, Duke, UNC, Texas, UCLA and Memphis wouldn't have wanted Beasley is ridiculous.

Winning must not have played a factor in his decision. I'm sure that's not all there is to it.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Winning must not have played a factor in his decision. I'm sure that's not all there is to it.

Believe what you want. He calls the coach his brother, they are so close. He played for him for years before he was hired by Charlotte, and then Beasley said he wanted to play for him in college.

This has officially descended into fan-boy territory for me, so I should probably stop, but Beasley has by all accounts at K-State been an excellent person, a great teammate, and a very good student. I happen to believe he was also the best individual performer in college basketball this year, but that's certainly not all there is to the POY Award, which is why I think Hansbrough is a very deserving recipient.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Obviously Beasley has worked on his game. When did that become the question?? I'd say there's probabaly a really good reason that Beasley ended up at K-State and not Kansas, Duke, UNC, Texas, UCLA, Memphis, ...the traditional powers.

There are a lot of great "college" players who don't end up at those schools. Chris Bosh went to Georgia Tech and Chris Paul went to Wake Forest. You saying those 2 players didn't go to the "traditional" powers because they didn't work hard? Gonzaga has produced 3 players (Stockton, Nash, Morrison) who are considered hard workers. Why didn't they go to UNLV or UCLA, because of their work ethics??

And Memphis is not a traditional power (just to quibble), they are a power every 10 years of so. Beasley going to K-State is akin to Penny Hardaway going to Memphis St.