UNC/Kansas

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Duuuhhh....at least they're in the same conference.

And Nate, you've totally meandered away from you main point, which was work ethic towards basketball. You implied the reason Beasley didn't go to a "traditional" power was he work ethic. Now you switch mid-stream and talk about academics. Two totally differently subjects.

Acutally my point was that their aren't many that work as hard as Hans. Beasley is a tremendous TALENT. JW made the initial comment that Tyler's work ethic was over-hyped. I just stated that I don't think so. Then we move to Beasley's working hard in PRACTICE, something ALL players do. Beasley has a history. I'm chosing not to go into it however. The assistant coach isn't the only reason he ended up at K-State. Some school have higher standards than others. Case in point is UNC...the guard a few year ago...Jameson Curry. Anyway, he is the all time leading scorer in North Carolina high school history. Roy signed him, 2 months later he was caught with marijuana at school and he land at Oklahoma St. Duke never attempted to recuit him.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Oh, and aside from my being a fan of Kansas State, I really don't enjoy when people make assumptions about a person's intelligence or academics without knowing anything.

I'm not making an assumption about him - I know about him. I knew his story and officiated him more than likely before you ever heard of him. Do you even know where he went to school his "junior" year in high school? Do you know why I put junior in quotes?

That doesn't mean he is a bad person or not a great basketball player.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm not making an assumption about him - I know about him. I knew his story and officiated him more than likely before you ever heard of him. Do you even know where he went to school his "junior" year in high school? Do you know why I put junior in quotes?

That doesn't mean he is a bad person or not a great basketball player.

He doesn't even know what an ABCer is!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

As much a powerhouse as K-State or Gonzaga.

K State and Gonzaga are not powerhouses, so I'll agree with your above statement. Therefore GTand WF aren't either.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm not making an assumption about him - I know about him. I knew his story and officiated him more than likely before you ever heard of him. Do you even know where he went to school his "junior" year in high school? Do you know why I put junior in quotes?

That doesn't mean he is a bad person or not a great basketball player.

Yeah, I know all about his "high school" history. It's certainly not something I'd shine a bright light on if it were my past.

That said, attending several different "basketball factories" and getting himself into some trouble with school authorities says little about his ability or inability to score a qualifying score on the SAT or ACT.

I know several of his instructors at K-State, and they have all said that they were very surprised how engaged and intelligent he was in class. So he has a few people who were skeptical who now have no reason to doubt that he could have scored a qualifying score on his own.

I've no idea how this got so completely off topic, but it's been fun!

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He doesn't even know what an ABCer is!

BTW...sorry I was slow in putting it together. It occured to me what an ABCer was in the middle of the night the other night, and that definitely doesn't describe me or apply to any of the arguements I've made in this thread.

Hell, I like UNC!

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Yeah, I know all about his "high school" history. It's certainly not something I'd shine a bright light on if it were my past.

That said, attending several different "basketball factories" and getting himself into some trouble with school authorities says little about his ability or inability to score a qualifying score on the SAT or ACT.

I know several of his instructors at K-State, and they have all said that they were very surprised how engaged and intelligent he was in class. So he has a few people who were skeptical who now have no reason to doubt that he could have scored a qualifying score on his own.

I've no idea how this got so completely off topic, but it's been fun!

The trouble he has had in the past couldn't be a reason he ended up at K-state then huh? My guess is that if he'd had a ball in his hands and on the court somewhere he would never have had any trouble to begin with. Seems as tho the one's who are the most athletically gifted never want to work as hard.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

The trouble he has had in the past couldn't be a reason he ended up at K-state then huh? My guess is that if he'd had a ball in his hands and on the court somewhere he would never have had any trouble to begin with. Seems as tho the one's who are the most athletically gifted never want to work as hard.

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything else, Nate, it's obvious you don't want to believe that Beasley's relationship with Dalonte Hill was tight enough to be the deciding factor in where Beasley attended school, and it's also obvious that regardless of how hard Beasley actually works in and out of practice, you will regard him as someone who "never wants to work as hard."

I'd just encourage you to lose the attitude that is so apparent in your posts that when a player chooses to attend a school other than UNC or Duke or KU or UCLA that it must be because that player wasn't actually recruited by those schools, rather than that player simply deciding he wanted to go somewhere else instead - for whatever reason.

Recruiting is a strange deal. Sometimes the best players don't want to attend a traditional power school. "Aw shucks" Roy isn't the right coach for everyone. Every once in a while, a school you wouldn't suspect makes the right connection with a super-talented kid and UNC loses out on a recruit they wanted.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything else, Nate, it's obvious you don't want to believe that Beasley's relationship with Dalonte Hill was tight enough to be the deciding factor in where Beasley attended school, and it's also obvious that regardless of how hard Beasley actually works in and out of practice, you will regard him as someone who "never wants to work as hard."

I'd just encourage you to lose the attitude that is so apparent in your posts that when a player chooses to attend a school other than UNC or Duke or KU or UCLA that it must be because that player wasn't actually recruited by those schools, rather than that player simply deciding he wanted to go somewhere else instead - for whatever reason.

Recruiting is a strange deal. Sometimes the best players don't want to attend a traditional power school. "Aw shucks" Roy isn't the right coach for everyone. Every once in a while, a school you wouldn't suspect makes the right connection with a super-talented kid and UNC loses out on a recruit they wanted.

Jdw, I understand the recuiting process well. I'm actually very involved in that process right now. I'm an used-to-be official, turned coach. I'd encourage you to open your eyes and understand that theirs a lot more that MOST coaches look at other than talent. I can't say this for fact, but I'd bet money that that the first thing that "the powerhouses" saw or thought when they heard the name Beasley were....1)High School trouble..to the point of jumping around to different school to play ball. 2)Big risk--when's the last time you heard of any problem kids on the list you provided above...there's a reason...they don't pursue these types. I do agree that some kids want to go to other schools; however not usually the Beasley types, that is the super talented ones. Some kids fall through the cracks, Stephen Curry. The knock on him was that he was too small (height and strength). Looks who's laughing now. Just like someone said at the beginning of this thread, he all but begged VT to give him some help. They didn't and he fell to Davidson. I'd hardly call VT a powerhouse...lol. 3)The point you don't want to admit, the intelligence level. Beasley clearly fits the MO. This is not the type of kid they want. Everyone under the sun including the K-State coach knew he was "one and done." Keep him outta trouble for one year, gain some pub for the school. Heck, they will likely produce the #1 overall pick in the NBA draft. Not many schools can say that. ....LOL...not sure they will in 5 years.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nate1224hoops

Everyone under the sun including the K-State coach knew he was "one and done." Keep him outta trouble for one year, gain some pub for the school.

Finally.....

Finally someone cuts through the bullsh!t and tells it the way that it is. The universities rent these kids for a year. And if you don't think that the word "rent" is appropriate, then you're a heckuva lot more naive than I think you are. The universities provide a stage for the kid to hone his talent a little while showing it off to future employers. The player provides the basketball-playing acumen to justify his rental. Both sides win. Anyone that thinks that actual academics play any kind of role in this process is a complete doofus imo.

T'is the system.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

The apostrophe goes before the T.

Only in The Magical And Mythical Land Of College And Above.........and even there it doesn't apply until the fourth year.

We are not worthy......


I know that it is only a dream, but I can still hope and pray that some day I will attain your wisdom and knowledge.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by socalreff

The apostrophe goes before the T.

This may be the most valuable contribution you've made to the community since you've joined us.

Keep up the good work... now just try & apply it to officiating basketbal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Anyone that thinks that actual academics play any kind of role in this process is a complete doofus imo.

This is probably true for the 99.9% of the "one and done" "student" athletes.

But who would have thought that a future first round draft pick of the Charlotte Bobcats would both prepare his talents for the NBA, as well as preparing his academic credentials for a life after basketball:

Emeka Okafor, the son of Nigerian immigrants, is known for not only being a good basketball player but also for being an elite student. His major at UConn was finance, and he graduated with honors after three years in May 2004 with a 3.8 GPA. One of his last courses at UConn was an honors-level finance course where students were allowed to make investment decisions for a small portion of UConn's endowment. Okafor was named the Academic All-American of the Year in 2004 for his work on and off the court.

There are some young men out there who take full advantage of the opportunities that a college scholarship offers to them. How many are in the "one and done" category, few, probably not any, but maybe one, or two, have the maturity, probably taught to them by their parents, to take advantage of one free year of academics, as well as a prep year for the NBA?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is probably true for the 99.9% of the "one and done" "student" athletes.

Billy, I was only talking about the "one and done" athletes. No one else. Btw, I can't call 'em "students" without laughing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

This may be the most valuable contribution you've made to the community since you've joined us.

Keep up the good work... now just try & apply it to officiating basketball.

From his posts to date, I'm not convinced that he really is a basketball official.