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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 05:07pm
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How many D! head coaches were ejected this year?

Anyway to find out this info. Love Curtis Shaw for tossing the stanford coach, was a great ejection!
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 07:30pm
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Anyway to find out this info. Love Curtis Shaw for tossing the stanford coach, was a great ejection!
Not according to SI.com...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ngs/index.html

(No, I don't agree with him, I would have probably tossed him too)
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 07:46pm
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Anyway to find out this info. Love Curtis Shaw for tossing the stanford coach, was a great ejection!
Is there an official mechanic for signaling an ejection? In baseball, it kind of looks like a forward pitch, ending in pointing out to the sky. In football, I think it's a thumb over your shoulder. I'd expect that either of these would be recognized, but I don't remember seeing a mechanic in the NFHS book. I wouldn't know about NCAA.

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Not according to SI.com...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ngs/index.html

(No, I don't agree with him, I would have probably tossed him too)
Here's what Grant Wahl says:

"He's the worst kind of ref, one who doesn't understand that respect is won by communicating with coaches and players, not T'ing them up at the earliest possible moment."

Here's what I say:

"Grant Wahl's the worst kind of writer, one who doesn't understand that you don't criticize and/or condemn an official for enforcing the rules when you don't know what really happened."

Oh yeah - I heard his nickname is Grant "head like a brick" Wahl.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 08:14pm
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Is there an official mechanic for signaling an ejection?
No.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 08:14pm
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Most Fouls Called
Referee Total
Fouls Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 3927 100
Bryan Kersey 3868 102
Steve Welmer 3746 111
J.D. Collins 3696 100
Jamie Luckie 3527 92
Mark Whitehead 3434 93
John Higgins 3374 95
David Hall 3364 93
Tom O'Neill 3342 90
Mike Thibodeaux 3254 85

Top 100
Most Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Trent Lovewell 45.6 12
Jimmie Flores 43.8 12
Bill Forehand 43.5 14
Todd Von Sossan 42.9 11
Gene Grimshaw 42.5 17
K.C. ely 42.4 29
Alan Cosby 42.2 13
Tony Turner 42.2 14
Rick Jones 42.2 27
David Stevens 42.2 19

Top 100
Fewest Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Ted Valentine 32.0 91
Mike Conlin 32.9 18
Donn Berdahl 33.1 11
Dick Cartmell 33.3 46
Mike Scyphers 33.3 56
Doran Gotschall 33.3 15
Ken Nielson 33.4 18
Jeff Ketchu 33.5 11
Ray Natili 33.5 71
James Williams 33.6 15

Top 100

Most Technicals Called
Referee Total
Techs Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 48 100
Ray Perone 38 70
Bryan Kersey 36 102
Gerry Pollard 34 76
J.B. Caldwell 33 71
John Hughes 33 73
Doug Shows 31 72
Tom Eades 31 77
Gary Maxwell 29 76
Kelly Self 28 67

Top 100
Most Technicals Per Game
Referee Techs
Per Game Games
Called
Todd Von Sossan 0.8 11
Everett Summers 0.8 33
John Yorkovich 0.8 22
John Weeks 0.8 17
Scott Twardoski 0.7 15
Frank Spencer 0.7 37
Damon Williams 0.7 11
Wilson Holland 0.7 14
Marc Ellard 0.7 25
Quez Crawford 0.7 12

Top 100
Most Ejections
Referee Total
Ejections Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 5 100
Steve Welmer 2 111
Rick Crawford 2 44
J.B. Caldwell 2 71
Kelly Self 2 67
Mark Whitehead 2 93
Tom Eades 2 77
Terry Moore 2 75
Patrick Evans 1 42
Gerry Pollard 1 76

Top 100

Most Games Called
Referee Games
Called
Steve Welmer 111
Bryan Kersey 102
Curtis Shaw 100
J.D. Collins 100
John Higgins 95
David Hall 93
Mark Whitehead 93
Jamie Luckie 92
Ted Valentine 91
Tom O'Neill 90
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Congratulations. That ties for the dumbest post ever on the internet.
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Wow. Curtis Shaw worked 100 Division I games. He must be a really good official for conference assigners to trust his judgement enough to get that many games. Thanks for the statistics.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 08:40pm
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Wow. Curtis Shaw worked 100 Division I games. He must be a really good official for conference assigners to trust his judgement enough to get that many games. Thanks for the statistics.
And those stats are meaningless. That site does not know who calls the TF, just that in a particular game a TF was called so it is added to every referee in that game regardless of who called it.

In addition, non-abusive TF's are included such as hanging on rim, delay of game etc.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 08:58pm
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Most Fouls Called
Referee Total
Fouls Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 3927 100
Bryan Kersey 3868 102
Steve Welmer 3746 111
J.D. Collins 3696 100
Jamie Luckie 3527 92
Mark Whitehead 3434 93
John Higgins 3374 95
David Hall 3364 93
Tom O'Neill 3342 90
Mike Thibodeaux 3254 85

Top 100
Most Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Trent Lovewell 45.6 12
Jimmie Flores 43.8 12
Bill Forehand 43.5 14
Todd Von Sossan 42.9 11
Gene Grimshaw 42.5 17
K.C. ely 42.4 29
Alan Cosby 42.2 13
Tony Turner 42.2 14
Rick Jones 42.2 27
David Stevens 42.2 19

Top 100
Fewest Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Ted Valentine 32.0 91
Mike Conlin 32.9 18
Donn Berdahl 33.1 11
Dick Cartmell 33.3 46
Mike Scyphers 33.3 56
Doran Gotschall 33.3 15
Ken Nielson 33.4 18
Jeff Ketchu 33.5 11
Ray Natili 33.5 71
James Williams 33.6 15

Top 100

Most Technicals Called
Referee Total
Techs Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 48 100
Ray Perone 38 70
Bryan Kersey 36 102
Gerry Pollard 34 76
J.B. Caldwell 33 71
John Hughes 33 73
Doug Shows 31 72
Tom Eades 31 77
Gary Maxwell 29 76
Kelly Self 28 67

Top 100
Most Technicals Per Game
Referee Techs
Per Game Games
Called
Todd Von Sossan 0.8 11
Everett Summers 0.8 33
John Yorkovich 0.8 22
John Weeks 0.8 17
Scott Twardoski 0.7 15
Frank Spencer 0.7 37
Damon Williams 0.7 11
Wilson Holland 0.7 14
Marc Ellard 0.7 25
Quez Crawford 0.7 12

Top 100
Most Ejections
Referee Total
Ejections Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 5 100
Steve Welmer 2 111
Rick Crawford 2 44
J.B. Caldwell 2 71
Kelly Self 2 67
Mark Whitehead 2 93
Tom Eades 2 77
Terry Moore 2 75
Patrick Evans 1 42
Gerry Pollard 1 76

Top 100

Most Games Called
Referee Games
Called
Steve Welmer 111
Bryan Kersey 102
Curtis Shaw 100
J.D. Collins 100
John Higgins 95
David Hall 93
Mark Whitehead 93
Jamie Luckie 92
Ted Valentine 91
Tom O'Neill 90
Someone's gotta be #1......... with apologies to JR, looks like Curtis is taking care of bidness.
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Originally Posted by mightyvol
Most Fouls Called
Referee Total
Fouls Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 3927 100
Bryan Kersey 3868 102
Steve Welmer 3746 111
J.D. Collins 3696 100
Jamie Luckie 3527 92
Mark Whitehead 3434 93
John Higgins 3374 95
David Hall 3364 93
Tom O'Neill 3342 90
Mike Thibodeaux 3254 85

Top 100
Most Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Trent Lovewell 45.6 12
Jimmie Flores 43.8 12
Bill Forehand 43.5 14
Todd Von Sossan 42.9 11
Gene Grimshaw 42.5 17
K.C. ely 42.4 29
Alan Cosby 42.2 13
Tony Turner 42.2 14
Rick Jones 42.2 27
David Stevens 42.2 19

Top 100
Fewest Fouls Per Game
Referee Fouls
Per Game Games
Called
Ted Valentine 32.0 91
Mike Conlin 32.9 18
Donn Berdahl 33.1 11
Dick Cartmell 33.3 46
Mike Scyphers 33.3 56
Doran Gotschall 33.3 15
Ken Nielson 33.4 18
Jeff Ketchu 33.5 11
Ray Natili 33.5 71
James Williams 33.6 15

Top 100

Most Technicals Called
Referee Total
Techs Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 48 100
Ray Perone 38 70
Bryan Kersey 36 102
Gerry Pollard 34 76
J.B. Caldwell 33 71
John Hughes 33 73
Doug Shows 31 72
Tom Eades 31 77
Gary Maxwell 29 76
Kelly Self 28 67

Top 100
Most Technicals Per Game
Referee Techs
Per Game Games
Called
Todd Von Sossan 0.8 11
Everett Summers 0.8 33
John Yorkovich 0.8 22
John Weeks 0.8 17
Scott Twardoski 0.7 15
Frank Spencer 0.7 37
Damon Williams 0.7 11
Wilson Holland 0.7 14
Marc Ellard 0.7 25
Quez Crawford 0.7 12

Top 100
Most Ejections
Referee Total
Ejections Games
Called
Curtis Shaw 5 100
Steve Welmer 2 111
Rick Crawford 2 44
J.B. Caldwell 2 71
Kelly Self 2 67
Mark Whitehead 2 93
Tom Eades 2 77
Terry Moore 2 75
Patrick Evans 1 42
Gerry Pollard 1 76

Top 100

Most Games Called
Referee Games
Called
Steve Welmer 111
Bryan Kersey 102
Curtis Shaw 100
J.D. Collins 100
John Higgins 95
David Hall 93
Mark Whitehead 93
Jamie Luckie 92
Ted Valentine 91
Tom O'Neill 90
I'm sorry. I wasn't paying attention. Could you post that again, please? Thanks.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2008, 09:26pm
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A writer puts the blame where it belongs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...4&sportCat=ncb
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A writer puts the blame where it belongs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...4&sportCat=ncb
Yeah, he ultimately blames the coach, but he makes it sound like Shaw is the wrong kind of official to mess with. With all that being said, the coach should not ever be complaining across the court at an official. He was warned and he was given a first T. That has nothing to do with Shaw at that point or a quick trigger. That has to do with what the NCAA has asked officials to enforce. And it is clear the NCAA and Hank Nichols wants the bench decorum to be cleaned up. And the Coach's Association also claimed they wanted the same with an address they gave during the NCAA Rules Clinics. The coach got what he deserved and Shaw in no way is at fault. He did what we all were asked by the NCAA. I guess the coach thought the officials would give him a pass because it was the NCAA Tournament.

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Not that it's the same level, but in the Ontario AAAA provincial bronze medal game in 2004 (or was it 05?), a coach came onto the court, about 12 feet and the covering official didn't have the b@lls to call the T. His response was, "I didn't see him".

Amongst us officials, we bring this fact up on an annual basis and laugh at him every time (he's a local official). What a joke to not call the T. What a joke to think that a quick trigger finger is employed.
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