state finals games- selecting refs

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That post seemed a little long-winded.

I get it.

Little Breezy.......long winded....blew by my point

That was supposed to have been one of them joke thingys, right?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I get it.

Little Breezy.......long winded....blew by my point

That was supposed to have been one of them joke thingys, right?

Wow, you got it!

I guess thin-skinned people are less likely to get jokes.

Or, maybe it just went over his head.

[rockyroad]

Word.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

socal didn't make that observation. He's likely one of the veteran officials lpbreeze was referring to who agreed with him that the game was poorly officiated.

My bad...it was SMEngmann.

[Adam]

Gee, I didn't see that coming.

[SMEngmann]

I'll chime and and respond by saying that I didn't particularly think that the officials did a great job on that game, but I'll also back up my point that the game appeared extremely tough to officiate given the caliber of players, the stage and the potential for problems. 3 Ts and an intentional which I thought could easily have been a flagrant illustrates this point, as does the really chippy play at the end of the game. There was an elbow on a free throw with 10 seconds left for no reason, even with all the foul calls, it was physical away from the ball in the 4th, so I think the refs had the right idea to call a tight game, but they got so caught up in doing so that they ended up calling a number of marginal plays or plays that didn't exist. Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early. My bottom line is that with the way that game went, with MD getting up early and controlling the pace, I don't think any refs could have come out of that looking particularly good given the personalities and styles involved.

I agree with SoCal that it would've been better to have an established crew familiar with each other on this game. I also dispute the notion that just because someone is on a state final game that "they've arrived," rather, it's more like they've gotta prove they belong, and I think that's where these crews can appear like camp crews. Maybe another solution is to take one ref who works a Mitty during the season, one who works Mater-Dei and then a third neutral ref. I will leave that up to the powers that be.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

When someone is a repeat offender, they haven't learned a damn thing and they never will. T'hell with him. We don't need clowns like him sullying up our avocation.

If he wants to dump on his fellow officials, then he's got absolutely no complaint when one of his fellow officials dumps on him.

All I have to add is:

[lpbreeze]

That sounds like a good idea SME. The officials seemed like it was the first time they saw those guys play and had no idea about the div 1 post players. Maybe someone who did one or two of their games and isn't too familiar with them to be accused of being biased. And then have a third ref from Santa Barbara. - because no good team ever comes from there

--off topic but was it me or did Mater Dei have about 50 players on their team. maybe not that many. They made their own mosh pit at the end. All 4 teams finish in the top 15 in USA today natl. rankings. nice go Cali. but really who can say for sure. biased for east and west coast.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early.

Please tell me that you weren't serious when you wrote that.

If so, your credibility as an evaluator just breezed right out the window also.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Their lack of familiarity with the teams also contributed as it put star players in foul trouble early.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Please tell me that you weren't serious when you wrote that.

If so, your credibility as an evaluator just breezed right out the window also.

More of that "college and above" mentality?

[rockyroad]

So basically some of our California brethren here are saying that the refs should have known who the future D-I players in that game were, and called the game differently for those particular players - that way the game would have been great!!

What a load of crap!

[lpbreeze]

nope. later----ncaa time!!!

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by socalreff

Not all of us!!! Don't lump me in with the star treatment crowd.
All I said was that the officiating was poor in that game mainly because of a failure to properly assess the principle of verticality.

Read somewhere that the star's verticality is wider than that of the 10th guy off the bench. That may be an Illinois thing, not sure.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Read somewhere that the star's verticality is wider than that of the 10th guy off the bench. That may be an Illinois thing, not sure.

I think that is a result of a condition. You know the condition of not being capable to understand concepts beyond your level of understanding.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

I just finished watching a replay of the game being discussed--Mater Dei/Mitty-- on PRIME channel. Officiating was not a factor.

Having a dish comes in handy sometime. This whole thread was a complete waste of time imo, which is not surprising seeing who started it. File it under "fanboy" and fuggedaboutit.