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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

IMO, it seems like this should either be called a block or a charge.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In practice, it probably happens more often than not.

Just do it, and don't make a big production of it. One guy walks away from the call. (was it ever really there?) It's really a non-issue the vast majority of the time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Just do it, and don't make a big production of it. One guy walks away from the call. (was it ever really there?) It's really a non-issue the vast majority of the time.

Except for two things.
1. It's the incorrect way to do it, by rule.
2. A lot of coaches know this, and it would be my luck that the one time I did it the coach would know the rule and my assigner would be all over my ***.
3. Integrity.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Except for two things.
1. It's the incorrect way to do it, by rule.
2. A lot of coaches know this......
3. Integrity.

1. I think either way is okay by rule, depending on the details of the situation.

2. Skeptical about this one.

3. I don't see that as an issue here. I really don't consider my idea here to be
anything shady.


One more thing. If you do go with a double foul here, how is it reported? Does one guy report the double foul or does each one report his own call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1. I think either way is okay by rule, depending on the details of the situation.

Not really. If officials signal opposite calls, then you are stuck. No one is talking about creating this situation if there is proper communication. But you cannot just look the other way. This is why both officials should not be signaling.

Originally Posted by just another ref

2. Skeptical about this one.

You would be surprised. But it is not during the game you have to worry about. After the game when they call your supervisor or the interpreter, then they will see you screwed up. And it will not be the coach that had the foul called in their favor either.

Originally Posted by just another ref

3. I don't see that as an issue here. I really don't consider my idea here to be anything shady.

It would be if you do not follow the rule. This is not a judgment call, you make this mistake you have only one option in Men's and NF Rules. It would be like calling an intentional foul and not awarding the proper foul shots.

Originally Posted by just another ref

One more thing. If you do go with a double foul here, how is it reported? Does one guy report the double foul or does each one report his own call?

Each official reports their foul. You do not pass off fouls to report.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

1. I think either way is okay by rule, depending on the details of the situation.

2. Skeptical about this one.

3. I don't see that as an issue here. I really don't consider my idea here to be
anything shady.

1. There is no question about the rule, it cannot be done "either way" in NFHS ball. The case book is an extension of the rule book, and it is extremely clear.
2. That's your right.
3. If I know the rule and purposefully ignore it because a) I don't like it, b) it's easier my way, and c) no one will know; that's an integrity issue.

Is it as big a deal as the NY State Attorney General paying for hookers while he's prosecuting a prostitution ring; and continuing to do so after he gets elected Governor? No.

It's probably more like taking a coffee from the break room and not putting your $.50 in the honor bucket.

[just another ref]

The whole problem here is whether the terms "call" and "signal" are meant to be interchangeable in this case.

A1 drives on B1, who is planted and waiting. I am positive that A1 is going to run him over, but at the last possible split second he crosses over and changes direction. B1 is fooled, just as I was, and attempts to recover but sticks his chest out and turns an almost certain PC foul into an obvious blocking foul. I see all this in my mind as I blow the whistle, but my hand didn't get the memo, and it grabs the back of my head. oops As I report the blocking foul, coach B says, "Hey, you signaled PC!" "Yep, I anticipated. My bad."

Same situation as above, but my partner also had the call and made the correct signal from the start.

Is a signal, which I knew was wrong by the time I made it, binding in either of the above cases? I don't see how it can be.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The whole problem here is whether the terms "call" and "signal" are meant to be interchangeable in this case.

A1 drives on B1, who is planted and waiting. I am positive that A1 is going to run him over, but at the last possible split second he crosses over and changes direction. B1 is fooled, just as I was, and attempts to recover but sticks his chest out and turns an almost certain PC foul into an obvious blocking foul. I see all this in my mind as I blow the whistle, but my hand didn't get the memo, and it grabs the back of my head. oops As I report the blocking foul, coach B says, "Hey, you signaled PC!" "Yep, I anticipated. My bad."

Same situation as above, but my partner also had the call and made the correct signal from the start.

Is a signal, which I knew was wrong by the time I made it, binding in either of the above cases? I don't see how it can be.

Integrity.