Why was my Stanford/UCLA post taken down?

[lpbreeze]

People can say I was too harsh in my op and I can accept that. But I haven't been calling the refs homers or questioning their integrity. By integrity I mean a ref stays neutral and objective and is not purposefully favoring a team. I think most of the refs are neutral and remain so throughout the game. But I feel if a team gets on a roll sometimes refs may favor that team. I can't say if that is true or not
But I strongly feel that refs can be swayed at the end of the game. They may not realize they are doing it and they might think they are being objective but the pressures from a close game, the coaches and fans may cause them to make calls they would not normally make. all right really last post. time to move on to uncontroversial topics like gun control and abortion.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

. But I haven't been calling the refs homers or questioning their integrity.

But I feel if a team gets on a roll sometimes refs may favor that team.

But I strongly feel that refs can be swayed at the end of the game. They may not realize they are doing it and they might think they are being objective but the pressures from a close game, the coaches and fans may cause them to make calls they would not normally make.

No need for any further comment at all after these little gems.......kinda speaks for themselves.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I always pictured the crown to be bigger than that.

Lord Jurassic, Douche of the Universe.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

By integrity I mean..

I think most of the refs

But I feel

But I strongly feel

I can't say if that is true or not

Yup, it's just your opinion and has nothing to do with what is TRUE and what is NOT TRUE. Even you say that you don't know the truth, just your own feelings. In other words, everything you have posted is meaningless.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

WTF is up with that? Unless I'm just missing it. There was no reason to take it down. The refs blew some calls late in the game and it hurt Stanford but that wasn't my only point.

[TRef21]

Thing is guys, whether it was a foul or not, move on... That was last night. If it wasn't a foul, we have to move on and learn from it. So lets all drop the issue.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...stanford.ucla/

""That was block," said Collison. "That was a complete block. We were fortunate to get a foul called. I heard it was a make-up [call]."

There were calls before that too. If it were just this play I wouldn't be complaining. I defended the ref in that Georgetown-Nova game when GT went to the line at the end of the game. My theory is the refs got caught up with the team on a roll. Are those great refs? Sure. Could I be wrong? Yes again. But it happens and it may have happened in the game.

That about sums it up. Missed layups, missed FTs, bad defense, poor passes, etc. have no bearing on a game's outcome. Why don't you call your camp "Old School Officiating"?

[26 Year Gap]

And make sure to go over this in camp.

For a hook- foul? Displacement

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

People can say I was too harsh in my op and I can accept that. But I haven't been calling the refs homers or questioning their integrity. By integrity I mean a ref stays neutral and objective and is not purposefully favoring a team. I think most of the refs are neutral and remain so throughout the game. But I feel if a team gets on a roll sometimes refs may favor that team. I can't say if that is true or not
But I strongly feel that refs can be swayed at the end of the game. They may not realize they are doing it and they might think they are being objective but the pressures from a close game, the coaches and fans may cause them to make calls they would not normally make. all right really last post. time to move on to uncontroversial topics like gun control and abortion.

Is that what your extensive officiating experience tells you?

You think displacement is a violation and that only a player with the ball can hook an opponent. Yet, you're an expert who can evaluate D-I officials.

Now maybe you can tell us, WTF is up with that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

People can say I was too harsh in my op and I can accept that. But I haven't been calling the refs homers or questioning their integrity. By integrity I mean a ref stays neutral and objective and is not purposefully favoring a team. I think most of the refs are neutral and remain so throughout the game. But I feel if a team gets on a roll sometimes refs may favor that team. I can't say if that is true or not
But I strongly feel that refs can be swayed at the end of the game. They may not realize they are doing it and they might think they are being objective but the pressures from a close game, the coaches and fans may cause them to make calls they would not normally make. all right really last post.

I'm going to say this one more time.

If your calls are affected by the emotion and intensity of the game; you are officially working a game that is above your paygrade and it's time to demote yourself to the next lower level.

[tomegun]

I know all three of those officials and I would put all my money on them NOT being homers. One of them is my good friend and I will be staying at his house (again) when I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks.
He was the official at Lead on the call for Collison. He has been battling cancer for the last year. I was going to send him a text message because he looked like he was his old self on the highlights I saw. I think one of the messages others have been trying to deliver is without walking in someone else's shoes you may not be qualified to give such a strong and damaging opinion. Did they ref a perfect game? Without seeing the game I can say they didn't. However, without experiencing things on that level you can't know what it is like. In 2002 I went to the Pac-10 camp and that was a TON of pressure - ramp that up by 1 million and that is what these guys were going through.

I will ask Bobby if he got caught up and will tell you what his reply is - I'm going to tell him you said he did Breeze because I don't want to have him cuss me out!

[lpbreeze]

Go for it. I never said they were homers. I also said the game was officiated well except at the end(((Edit add- Stanford can learn from the loss because they did falter down the stretch which I did note and both teams still will be in good shape for the NCAA) and I already said I should have been more careful with my original post that overshadowed these two points which I think are fair. The second one is much more debatable in my opinion. For these two I'm saying in general not a specific game.

Have refs been caught up in the excitement of a game, especially one that is close, and made calls that were not consistent with how the game was being called before?

Do refs get caught up when a team is on a roll and start favoring the team with momentum?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

1. Have refs been caught up in the excitement of a game, especially one that is close, and made calls that were not consistent with how the game was being called before?

2Do refs get caught up when a team is on a roll and start favoring the team with momentum?

Where are you going with all this? Officiating is like anything else, Murphy's Law applies. (paraphrased) Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.

1. Has this ever happened. Sure. Have refs ever got caught up in this same excitement and choked on it and not called anything? Sure. Has this been the perception of players/coaches/fans that came up on the short end? Every night.

2. Does this ever happen? Possibly. Do these same refs, maybe on the next possession make a call that stalls the momentum of this team on a roll? Possibly.

There is a standard answer for most questions of this nature, the same answer that I give when I arrive at a game and someone asks "How are you?"

"It depends on who you ask."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

But I haven't been calling the refs homers or questioning their integrity.

Yes, you are. You might not realize you are doing so. You might not mean to do so. Maybe you're too caught up in the intensity of the action....

In any event, this thread is also over.