6 Men on the Floor

[mightyvol]

Originally Posted by RefTip

I agree it is a T..... Question though, this came up last year while I was watching our JV team play . Our team comes out of timeout and there are 6 players on the floor . Play continues for about 20 seconds and I guess our coach realizes this and calls timeout. The two officials did not realize there were 6 players until after the timeout was called and the players were going to the bench. They then called a technical on our team for having 6 players. I was sitting next to another official and we were trying to determine if this was correct since the ball was dead when the violation was realized. After looking through the rules book I believe they got it right but wanted to get confirmation.

Thanks

Can someone answer this concerning NFHS Rules? I saw this happen earlier this season. The officials got together and decided that they could not call a T since they werent 100% sure that the one team had six players on the court and plus they said that in order for it to be a T they had to catch it during a live ball situation. Were they correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mightyvol

Can someone answer this concerning NFHS Rules? I saw this happen earlier this season. The officials got together and decided that they could not call a T since they werent 100% sure that the one team had six players on the court and plus they said that in order for it to be a T they had to catch it during a live ball situation. Were they correct?

10-1-6: A team shall not have more than 5 members participating simultaneously.

PENALTY: Penalized if discovered while being violated.

Live ball not specified. When is a player considered to be participating? Preparing for a throw in, players jockeying for position, I would consider that to be participation. Coach sees the problem, requests time out, you count six heading off the court, I have no problem with making the call then, others may disagree.

One thing I know. Nothing sends a buzz through the crowd any better than 6 on the court.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

10-1-6: A team shall not have more than 5 members participating simultaneously.

PENALTY: Penalized if discovered while being violated.

Think about it this way - if you can penalize this during a dead ball, then what about when you beckon a sub on the floor, and the other player takes their time getting off the floor - would you penalize that team for having 6 players on the court? Of course not, even though, by rule, the sub becomes a player the moment they are beckoned on the court. But they aren't "participating" at that moment.

I would think once the TO is called, there is even less basis for saying they are "participating". So, if the coach gets the TO granted, you have not "discovered while being violated" - you discovered it after the fact, therefore, too late to penalize.

[mightyvol]

bump......would love to have more opinions on this one....seems to be a 2 way street. Damned if you do damed if you dont?