6 Men on the Floor

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Are you sure it wasn't the East German swim team?

Come to think of it........

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

I don't have my rule book handy, but doesn't six players have to penlized when discovered while the ball is live?

NFHS 10-1-6 A team shall not...have more than five team members participating simultaneously. Penalty: Penalized if discovered while being violated.

Have a look at 10.1.6 as well.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you're counting the players, then how can you account for any players that are late, in the dressing room, etc.?

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not sure about NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

When I was coaching, I wrote in all the names and numbers or all 14 of my players,, in numerical order, in the book for every game, even if they were sick, injured, etc. It made it easier to copy the list from game to game.

On our local board, we're told to count the players warming up, and when the referee checks the book, he, or she, makes sure that there are an equal number of players in the book, or more players in the book than are on the floor. If there are less, he, or she, tries to figure out the problem, before the 10 minute mark.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not the NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

When I was coaching, I wrote in all the names and numbers or all 14 of my players,, in numerical order, in the book for every game, even if they were sick, injured, etc. It made it easier to copy the list from game to game.

On our local board, we're told to count the players warming up, and when the referee checks the book, he, or she, makes sure that there are an equal number of players in the book, or more players in the book than are on the floor. If there are less, he, or she, tries to figure out the problem, before the 10 minute mark.

(A memory peaked) :
A hunert years ago, 1965, I spent three days away from high school to take a physical for a university. I showed up during warm-ups, and though I didn't start, I did get to play.

My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by mick
[SIZE=1

My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade. [/SIZE]

Holy cow. Watch out Padgett -- with lines like this, he's trying to steal your thunder.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Holy cow. Watch out Padgett -- with lines like this, he's trying to steal your thunder.

I'm older.
Padgett's better looking.
I can cook.
Padgett's better looking.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by mick

(A memory peaked) :
My approval for playing eligibilty, eventhough I missed three days, was that I had to use 3 of my 5 skip slips that I earned for not missing a day in school since the 5th grade.

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't have time to get out my old IAABO Refresher Exams, but about three years ago, there was a question about a player who missed the bus, and was coming late, having his name, and number, written in the book. According to IAABO, not sure about NFHS, this player's name was not allowed to be written in the book. I got the question wrong. Do any IAABO members remember this stupid question?

I remember that and I remember disagreeing strongly with it.

I also know a few D-I refs who have insisted that the number in the book equal the number they see out on the court during warm-ups. Do any of you NCAA guys know if this was a directive from above or just a few guys/gals doing their own thing?

FWIW, all I care about is that the number of players in the book is >= the number of players I see warming up.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

Big deal. I trudged 10 miles and backwards!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by mick

I'm older.
Padgett's better looking.
I can cook.
Padgett's better looking.

See for yourself. This is me.



BTW - I'm not so sure Mick's older. I was also a HS senior in 1965, although I graduated when I was 16.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Wow. Not one day missed even though you had to trudge 6 miles through hip deep snow every single day uphill both ways.

You are my hero.

I only missed a 1/2-day in 5th grade for comfirmation practice.

[loners4me]

Let's say you don't check the book pre-game and in the second quarter a player enters who is not in the official book. The bookkeeper alerts you to the fact.

Head coach says well it should be you copied it wrong. Table says, no I didn't you just added it.


Then what??

[mick]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Let's say you don't check the book pre-game and in the second quarter a player enters who is not in the official book. The bookkeeper alerts you to the fact.

Head coach says well it should be you copied it wrong. Table says, no I didn't you just added it.


Then what??

Just make it right with the information you have:

• Have bookkeeper show you the lineup handed in;
• See if the books match;
• Check if sequence matches;
• Eventhough the home book is supposed to be official, determine if the bookkeepers equal;
• penalize, or not, as necessary;
• Get the game going.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Let's say you don't check the book pre-game and in the second quarter a player enters who is not in the official book. The bookkeeper alerts you to the fact.

Head coach says well it should be you copied it wrong. Table says, no I didn't you just added it.

Then what??

Mea culpa. I scoured my rule book last night but couldn't find a specific rule stating that the head coach is responsible for the accuracy of their roster in the official book. The closest thing I could find was a list of scorer's duties which included having the coach sign the book prior to the start. I guess it's just so standard around here, that I had it in my mind it was a written rule. The scenario above is precisely why I think it *would* be good to have the coach (or someone they choose to designate) verify the roster. It would eliminate the potential my-word-versus-yours between the scorer and coach.

Regarding the above situation though...by rule I'd say that if the official scorer does not believe they have made any sort of error while entering the names in the book, then I'm thinking we have an administrative T against that team. 2 shots and the ball for the other team.

[BillyMac]

I went down to my underground vault, 300 feet down, crossed the moat filled with piranas and snapping turtles, avoided the land mines, a guillotine, knife-throwing wild Indians, the gorilla, and a pit of quicksand, and found my old IAABO Refresher Exams. Here's the second most stupid question ever on an IAABO Refresher Exam, and remember this is an IAABO exam, which is supposed to follow NFHS rules, but I never heard of this rule:

2005-06 IAABO Refresher Exam Question #73: Squad member number 45 misses the bus and is not present at the time the squads list and starting line-up must be submitted for team members. During the pregame warmup the referee counts eleven team members for Team A but while checking the book Team A has twelve members listed. Referee informs the coach that the squad member who is not present may not be placed in the bookeven if he/she will get to the game late. Is the referee correct?
Answer: Yes. 3-2-1, and 4-34-4

As I said in a previous post, despite this answer, on our local board, we're told to count the players warming up, and when the referee checks the book, he, or she, makes sure that there are an equal number of players in the book, or more players in the book than are on the floor. If there are less, he, or she, tries to figure out the problem, before the 10 minute mark.