time put back on the clock??

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Shoot the freethrows with the lane cleared (only if it will affect outcome of the game).

You can't add time onto the clock unless you have definite knowledge.

Doesn't the timer's knowledge amount to "definite" knowledge?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Doesn't the timer's knowledge amount to "definite" knowledge?

Yes.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Yes.

So then why don't you think the FTs should have been shot with .2 seconds & players lined up as normal?

btw, I'm with Gimlet but will take it a step further. The R in this game screwed it up because he waited until after the FTs to make his ruling. He should have resolved the timing issue prior to the FTs.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

The R in this game screwed it up because he waited until after the FTs to make his ruling. He should have resolved the timing issue prior to the FTs.

I agree totally with this. I bet though that until this situation presented itself the "R" or the "U" didn't have any idea that the console displayed tenths.

The best time for the "R" to head this type of a problem off would be in the pre game table conference. This would be the time to fin out if the clock shows tenths, if it doesn't then does the console?

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Doesn't the timer's knowledge amount to "definite" knowledge?

I don't have my rule book in front of me to cite a specific rule, but I believe "definite knowledge" pertains only to the officials on the court, and not any people working the table.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I don't have my rule book in front of me to cite a specific rule, but I believe "definite knowledge" pertains only to the officials on the court, and not any people working the table.

Nope!! Theres a couple of case plays where you can get information from the timer to correct a timing mistake. If the timer knows, hes a part of our crew, his information is definite.

5.10.1

[Big2Cat]

Almost every box I have had at games displays tenths of a second. Twice this year the clock has showed zero with no horn and the scoreboard does not show tenths. I just calmly walk over to the table and ask if they have tenths on the box. They do and tell me. .9 in one game, .2 in the other. I then informed my partners and my coaches and we went from there.

We should all know this and be ready to check the table. I do think if the timer saw .2 then he had definite knowledge. The time to ask is before the free throws, not after. Although it sounds like since he made both and you found out about the .2, they did the right thing. I didn't read this whole thread carefully, so of course I could be wrong.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

Twice this year the clock has showed zero with no horn and the scoreboard does not show tenths. I just calmly walk over to the table and ask if they have tenths on the box.

It doesn't matter whether the clock has tenths or not. If the clock isn't malfunctioning, the period isn't over until the horn goes. It doesn't matter if the clock shows all zeros.You put the ball back into play and keep playing to the horn.

Case book play 5.6 covers the play explicitly.