Refresher Test Questions - putting time back on the clock?

[rfp]

There are a couple of questions on this year's refresher test that have the official putting time back on the clock due to an error of some sort. As far as I know, there is no provision for ever putting time back on the clock except when the clock was not properly stopped due to a timer's error and the official has definite knowledge of the correct time.

Are there any other conditions I'm not aware of that would allow an official to put time back on the clock?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by rfp

There are a couple of questions on this year's refresher test that have the official putting time back on the clock due to an error of some sort. As far as I know, there is no provision for ever putting time back on the clock except when the clock was not properly stopped due to a timer's error and the official has definite knowledge of the correct time.

Are there any other conditions I'm not aware of that would allow an official to put time back on the clock?

Casebook 10.1.8

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rfp

There are a couple of questions on this year's refresher test that have the official putting time back on the clock due to an error of some sort. As far as I know, there is no provision for ever putting time back on the clock except when the clock was not properly stopped due to a timer's error and the official has definite knowledge of the correct time.

Are there any other conditions I'm not aware of that would allow an official to put time back on the clock?

Quarter (or OT) starts with less than the required amount of time on the clock.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Quarter (or OT) starts with less than the required amount of time on the clock.

You can also take time off the clock if the OT starts with more than 4 minutes, can't you? You can only reduce it to 4, though, I think.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You can also take time off the clock if the OT starts with more than 4 minutes, can't you? You can only reduce it to 4, though, I think.

Right -- if it's discovered while still showing more than 4 minutes, reduce to 4 minutes. Otherwise, leave it alone.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Right -- if it's discovered while still showing more than 4 minutes, reduce to 4 minutes. Otherwise, leave it alone.

If the OT starts with more than 4 minutes take your hand and smack it against your forehead....then take the extra time off...

[boiseball]

did you all notice the case play (not sure if new, probably not and therefore probably this is rehashing old ground, but . . .) that says you have 12 seconds on the clock and you then have the time run out while the ball is still in the backcourt; seems like this would be the perfect opportunity to say, hey I know that there was 12 to start and you only get 10 in backcourt so I have definite knowledge to put 2 back; but caseplay says you cannot put it back; thoughts on how to understand that one?

[jer166]

Originally Posted by boiseball

did you all notice the case play (not sure if new, probably not and therefore probably this is rehashing old ground, but . . .) that says you have 12 seconds on the clock and you then have the time run out while the ball is still in the backcourt; seems like this would be the perfect opportunity to say, hey I know that there was 12 to start and you only get 10 in backcourt so I have definite knowledge to put 2 back; but caseplay says you cannot put it back; thoughts on how to understand that one?

Slow count???

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by boiseball

did you all notice the case play (not sure if new, probably not and therefore probably this is rehashing old ground, but . . .) that says you have 12 seconds on the clock and you then have the time run out while the ball is still in the backcourt; seems like this would be the perfect opportunity to say, hey I know that there was 12 to start and you only get 10 in backcourt so I have definite knowledge to put 2 back; but caseplay says you cannot put it back; thoughts on how to understand that one?

Yes.

The fed wants the official to keep the count, not rely on any clocks.

[boiseball]

what is wrong with relying on a clock in some situations? the fed seems to be going a bit overboard there. They can just tell me not rely on the clock and that is great but there can still be exceptions, like this one

I just cannot imagine trying to explain to a coach how I am not supposed to fix my mistake even though everyone in the gym can see that I screwed up;

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by boiseball

did you all notice the case play (not sure if new, probably not and therefore probably this is rehashing old ground, but . . .) that says you have 12 seconds on the clock and you then have the time run out while the ball is still in the backcourt; seems like this would be the perfect opportunity to say, hey I know that there was 12 to start and you only get 10 in backcourt so I have definite knowledge to put 2 back; but caseplay says you cannot put it back; thoughts on how to understand that one?

The clock and the 10 count don't necessarily start at the same time. The clock can start first and have time get below 10 before control is established.

[boiseball]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The clock and the 10 count don't necessarily start at the same time. The clock can start first and have time get below 10 before control is established.

that is definitely true, so I guess my question would be different; you note control in back court and the time on the clock is 12 at that point and then crazy stuff happens and you accidentally lose your count (i.e. you think team control is about to change or there is a lose ball and for whatever reason you lose the count); if I look up and see the clock at 2, I am going to blow that dead as a violation; hopefully I will never need to resort to that but much wackier stuff could happen

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by boiseball

that is definitely true, so I guess my question would be different; you note control in back court and the time on the clock is 12 at that point and then crazy stuff happens and you accidentally lose your count (i.e. you think team control is about to change or there is a lose ball and for whatever reason you lose the count); if I look up and see the clock at 2, I am going to blow that dead as a violation; hopefully I will never need to resort to that but much wackier stuff could happen

I think several refs might do the same...doesn't mean it is approved procedure.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by boiseball

that is definitely true, so I guess my question would be different; you note control in back court and the time on the clock is 12 at that point and then crazy stuff happens and you accidentally lose your count (i.e. you think team control is about to change or there is a lose ball and for whatever reason you lose the count); if I look up and see the clock at 2, I am going to blow that dead as a violation; hopefully I will never need to resort to that but much wackier stuff could happen

It's just a missed call. It is not a timing error or a correctable error. The official missed it and that is the way it goes. There is no rules support for going back and fixing it.

What would you do in the same situation if any official clearly missed a travel in the backcourt? Would you instruct him to reset the clock and penalize this violation? That would silly.

Sorry, but it is just a missed call and that is why the NFHS says not to fix it.

[rfp]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Casebook 10.1.8

That's the exact situation the test is referring to, thanks. I don't see any rules justification for this, and I note that the casebook refers to it as a "specific unsporting act" requiring, I guess, a specific -- and unique -- treatment. I guess this is on the test to make sure we're reading the casebook end to end.