Charge Call Did I get it right?

[riden]

Well I took some heat last night over a charge call. We play FIBA rules.

Ball carrier came hard to the basket, took the shot and then came hard into the defender. It was a charge plain and simple, uncontestable.

BUT, the shot was before the charge and it went in. So I allowed the basket and charged the ball carrier with a charge.

Am I right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by riden

Well I took some heat last night over a charge call. We play FIBA rules.

Ball carrier came hard to the basket, took the shot and then came hard into the defender. It was a charge plain and simple, uncontestable.

BUT, the shot was before the charge and it went in. So I allowed the basket and charged the ball carrier with a charge.

Am I right?

Did the shooter land prior to hitting the defender?

[riden]

No he didn't

[Adam]

Someone who knows FIBA will have to answer, but I can tell you in US high school rules, this basket should not count. On a player control foul, the ball becomes dead immediately and no basket can be scored.

Again, however, someone who knows FIBA rules will need to confirm whether it's the same or different.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by riden

Well I took some heat last night over a charge call. We play FIBA rules.

Ball carrier came hard to the basket, took the shot and then came hard into the defender. It was a charge plain and simple, uncontestable.

BUT, the shot was before the charge and it went in. So I allowed the basket and charged the ball carrier with a charge.

Am I right?

Yes, but it should not be signaled as a charge, because the player didn't have control of the ball any more (use the push signal and DON'T do the punch). If the ball is in the air for a try, a foul doesn't cause it to become dead, independent on who commits the foul. If the offended team is in the bonus, shoot 2 FT at the other basket.

In these situations, allow the basket only if there is no doubt whatsoever that the ball left the shooter's hands before the contact. In doubt, call a charge and disallow the basket.

Ciao

[Adam]

So, an airborne shooter is not considered in control of the ball?

This is in line with NCAA men, but not inline with NFHS. Interesting.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, an airborne shooter is not considered in control of the ball?

This is in line with NCAA men, but not inline with NFHS. Interesting.

The airborne shooter is considered in the act of shooting until both feet touch the ground, but not in control of the ball when it leaves the shooter's hands.

I guess it's the same as in NCAA. Personally, I like better NFHS, in this case.

Ciao

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Yes, but it should not be signaled as a charge, because the player didn't have control of the ball any more (use the push signal and DON'T do the punch). If the ball is in the air for a try, a foul doesn't cause it to become dead, independent on who commits the foul. If the offended team is in the bonus, shoot 2 FT at the other basket.

In these situations, allow the basket only if there is no doubt whatsoever that the ball left the shooter's hands before the contact. In doubt, call a charge and disallow the basket.

Ciao

My understanding of FIBA is that you punch your hand for PC fouls, and punch in B's direction for team control fouls. When you say don't punch, which punch are you speaking of?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

My understanding of FIBA is that you punch your hand for PC fouls, and punch in B's direction for team control fouls. When you say don't punch, which punch are you speaking of?

I'd say both, since it was neither team control nor player control.

[gottaluvhoops]

For any offensive foul you use the "punch" signal. If you have a shooter who shoots and crashes AFTER the ball is released, signal with punch first and then push signal after. If the ball is released prior to the crash you count it. It does not matter if both feet have not touched the ground. If the player releases the ball after the contact, there is no shot, waive it off and take to the side line. Use only the punch signal and move on.
If there is a pass and crash, the "punch" signal is used along with push. It does not matter if both feet were in the air or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gottaluvhoops

For any offensive foul you use the "punch" signal. If you have a shooter who shoots and crashes AFTER the ball is released, signal with punch first and then push signal after. If the ball is released prior to the crash you count it. It does not matter if both feet have not touched the ground. If the player releases the ball after the contact, there is no shot, waive it off and take to the side line. Use only the punch signal and move on.
If there is a pass and crash, the "punch" signal is used along with push. It does not matter if both feet were in the air or not.

According to the distinguished official from Italy (posts 5 and 7), once the shot is released it is no longer an offensive foul; therefore there should be no punching.

[riden]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

Yes, but it should not be signaled as a charge, because the player didn't have control of the ball any more (use the push signal and DON'T do the punch). If the ball is in the air for a try, a foul doesn't cause it to become dead, independent on who commits the foul. If the offended team is in the bonus, shoot 2 FT at the other basket.

In these situations, allow the basket only if there is no doubt whatsoever that the ball left the shooter's hands before the contact. In doubt, call a charge and disallow the basket.

Ciao

That's good advice, thanks