Starting OT with 2 shots and the ball

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Had a game Saturday afternoon -- Girls Varsity. V is up by 2 with about 10 seconds left. H with the ball. The manage to dump it into the post to someone wide open for a game tying layup. V calls Timeout, which I grant, and immediately look at the clock upon blowing my whistle. As I look at the clock, it is already stopped, with 2 seconds left. V wants more time put up, but I turn em down. They get nothing on their inbound, and we're headed for overtime. After the timeout before we begin overtime, Assistant, who was whining before the timeout period about more time, now starts saying that this is the second half in a row that the other team has gotten into double bonus and they haven't. Team fouls on the board were 10-9, and it may have actually been 11 or 12. Anyhow, I tell the Head Coach that he needs to get his assistant under control or it's going to cost him. His response, as my partner is entering the circle for the toss, is, "Well, he's just telling the truth." WHACK!!! I just have no tolerance these days for coaches who think they have to get the last word in.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Had a game Saturday afternoon -- Girls Varsity. V is up by 2 with about 10 seconds left. H with the ball. The manage to dump it into the post to someone wide open for a game tying layup. V calls Timeout, which I grant, and immediately look at the clock upon blowing my whistle. As I look at the clock, it is already stopped, with 2 seconds left. V wants more time put up, but I turn em down. They get nothing on their inbound, and we're headed for overtime. After the timeout before we begin overtime, Assistant, who was whining before the timeout period about more time, now starts saying that this is the second half in a row that the other team has gotten into double bonus and they haven't. Team fouls on the board were 10-9, and it may have actually been 11 or 12. Anyhow, I tell the Head Coach that he needs to get his assistant under control or it's going to cost him. His response, as my partner is entering the circle for the toss, is, "Well, he's just telling the truth." WHACK!!! I just have no tolerance these days for coaches who think they have to get the last word in.

There's the problem right there.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by truerookie

There's the problem right there.

That is exactly correct. I gave the HC an opportunity to fix the problem. He chose to join in instead.

[refaz]

Good technical.

However, coaches are just as much A-type personalities as refs. If they get the last word sometimes - who cares? Let it go. I do (at least I try to).

Also note, assistants often become head coaches. I treat them all with respect (so long as they reciprocate).

You should look at this as a learning opportunity rather than getting a pat on the back. You're reffing a tight game that both teams want to win. Then you tell the coach to do something "or else" - this is a challenge. Now, he should have heeded this warning. But it's not all that surprising that given how you handled it - he challenged back. Try using different words with the coach that don't include an ultimatum. "Coach, help me out with your bench/assistants please."

All that said, his words warrant a technical. In the future you might be able to avoid it all and not have to start the overtime with a technical.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by refaz

Good technical.

However, coaches are just as much A-type personalities as refs. If they get the last word sometimes - who cares? Let it go. I do (at least I try to).

Also note, assistants often become head coaches. I treat them all with respect (so long as they reciprocate).

You should look at this as a learning opportunity rather than getting a pat on the back. You're reffing a tight game that both teams want to win. Then you tell the coach to do something "or else" - this is a challenge. Now, he should have heeded this warning. But it's not all that surprising that given how you handled it - he challenged back. Try using different words with the coach that don't include an ultimatum. "Coach, help me out with your bench/assistants please."

All that said, his words warrant a technical. In the future you might be able to avoid it all and not have to start the overtime with a technical.

"If you don't sit your worthless assistant down and shut him the hell up, neither one of you is going to be here to see the jump ball, let alone the end of the game."

That is an ultimatum.

"Coach, you need to get your assistant under control or he's going to cost you." is not an ultimatum. It is a simple statement of fact. It is also a courtesy to the head coach, allowing him to solve the problem without penalty. Now if the coach is too much of a beligerant *** to capitalize on that opportunity, well that's not the official's problem.

BTW, what would you have done, if in response to "Coach, help me out with your assistant, please." the coach responded, "Well, he's just telling the truth." Cuz my guess is that's exactly how he would have responded to your kinder, gentler, and sadly not suprerior way of handling this situation.

[refaz]

Okay - I guess you're way of handling the tight game was perfect. You started overtime with a technical.

You said exactly the right thing and shouldn't have to listen to other ideas.

If I could pat you on the back through the internet, I would.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by refaz

However, coaches are just as much A-type personalities as refs. If they get the last word sometimes - who cares? Let it go. I do (at least I try to).

Also note, assistants often become head coaches. I treat them all with respect (so long as they reciprocate).

You should look at this as a learning opportunity rather than getting a pat on the back. You're reffing a tight game that both teams want to win. Then you tell the coach to do something "or else" - this is a challenge. Now, he should have heeded this warning. But it's not all that surprising that given how you handled it - he challenged back. Try using different words with the coach that don't include an ultimatum. "Coach, help me out with your bench/assistants please."

All that said, his words warrant a technical. In the future you might be able to avoid it all and not have to start the overtime with a technical.

With all due respect, bullpucky.

A simple warning was given to the head coach. He responded to that by doing exactly what the warning was about....he crapped on the official. You have to deal with it. As an official, If you don't have the gonads to deal with it, well, maybe you should think about becoming a coach. If the last word that you want to give the coach turns out to be derogatory as it was in this situation, then the last word should never be ignored. There's one helluva big difference between letting a coach get in a last comment about a call that he thought that you might have missed versus letting him crap on you.

Not very good advice at all imo.

[refaz]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

With all due respect, bullpucky.

A simple warning was given to the head coach. He responded to that by doing exactly what the warning was about....he crapped on the official. You have to deal with it. As an official, If you don't have the gonads to deal with it, well, maybe you should think about becoming a coach. If the last word that you want to give the coach turns out to be derogatory as it was in this situation, then the last word should never be ignored. There's one helluva big difference between letting a coach get in a last comment about a call that he thought that you might have missed versus letting him crap on you.

Not very good advice at all imo.

You need to read the WHOLE post, with all due respect.