Wrong number on foul

[texaspaul]

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After a foul call, my partner gave me the shooters number and continued to the table with the report. I had turned attention to the player who had retrieved the ball in the corner. As I head to the Lead position to step in the lane, Partner says, did you get the number on the foul? Uh oh..... Shook my head no and looked at the players. Best thing to do in this situation is ask who fouled. Sort-of turned comical with everyone in the lane giggling. Finally the girl that fouled admitted it. It took a good 10 seconds for a confession. I gave them the integrity line as we looked for the culprit.

I had this happen to me at least once years ago, but I just simply went to the table, asked the visiting scorer if she saw it and she said yes. Gave me the number. Most of the time, the official scorer or visitors books know who fouled. Well, most of the time.

[Junker]

I think this has happened to most of us at one time or another. You are correct by rule you can go to the table and ask. If no one has the correct number, I think there is a goofy casebook play where you record the foul as a team foul but not personal, but I'd like to know if anyone else remembers such a ruling.

[Adam]

Consensus here seems to be you can't do that. There was a recent thread on it while you were caucusing.

[Junker]

I'll have to go back and look. No caucus for me. Too many make up games from snow dates.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I have a good friend who is a men's Div. I official in about six conferences and routinely makes it to the 3rd or 4th round of the NCAA. A few years back during the regular season I took my sons to a Div. I game that he was officiating. He called the foul, cleared the players and started to report the foul and before he gave the offender's number turned around took a couple of steps back to the scene of the crime, then turned back toward the table, and then reported the foul. He told me after the game he had forgetten the number of the fouler and had to go back and look to see what it was. So it happens to the best of us from time to time.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

When we stopped "bird dogging," I started seeing more and more of this. Say what you want but "bird dogging" made you much more aware of the fouler. Without it, we're all in too much of a hurry to clear the players and report. "Oops! Who was that on?"

[blindzebra]

If you vocalize...like the manual says we should...this isn't an issue.

Whistle, fist, step toward, prelim, red 44 hold, 23 white shoots, go to table.

[FrankHtown]

I agree with blindzebra. If you vocalize it, it helps your own memeory. Also, if you are loud enough, your partner may hear, and can help in case you forget by the time you get to the table.

[FrankHtown]

and your memory, too

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

When we stopped "bird dogging," I started seeing more and more of this. Say what you want but "bird dogging" made you much more aware of the fouler. Without it, we're all in too much of a hurry to clear the players and report. "Oops! Who was that on?"

Tony:

I think you are on to something here and I am probably just as guilty as the next official. I embraced not bird dogging and then hurrying to clear the players to report the foul.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

I'm no fan of bird dogging either but I think it did slow us down.

[dan74]

I had it happen last year as a rookie. I went to report, stopped, then quickly realized that I had nothing...kinda like when my wife's telling me on and on about her day...my lights are on but nobody's home. Just kiddin' of course. I listen to her-I have to-it's in the contract and she has a good attorney.

Anywho, had it happen again last night. This time I just plain goofed and reported the color/number of the foulee. After reporting I head to my position for the throw in, horn sounds, I head over and table informs that I called it on white, 42...home coach immediately inserts that it was blue, 10...his player. Although in this instance I knew who the offending player was, I liked that the coach came forward...and didn't harp one bit about it.

All in all, it was one of my first JV games where both coaches didn't say a word to us about anything the entire game. The only time they said anything was to call a timeout...it was one of those "good games" I've heard officials talk about from time to time. Nice.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

If you vocalize...like the manual says we should...this isn't an issue.

Whistle, fist, step toward, prelim, red 44 hold, 23 white shoots, go to table.

Best advice possible in this situation.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by dan74

I went to report, stopped, then quickly realized that I had nothing...kinda like when my wife's telling me on and on about her day...my lights are on but nobody's home.

The problem with men is. . . they don't hear anything women say.

The problem with women is. . . they hear EVERYTHING men say!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The problem with men is. . . they don't hear anything women say.

The problem with women is. . . they hear EVERYTHING men say!

Amen Scrapper.....

And I hate it when I get a "brain cramp" and lose my foulee! I find it totally embarassing! I like the vocalizing tip and will try it.