Block/Charge out of primary

[hbioteach]

I was at the 3 point line on the opposite side of the lane and had a goog look at the play. I spoke with my partner at halftime who said he agrees that we should have had something on the play but froze on the initial play.

I always grab a non PC/block out of my primary if I think, "That's definitely a foul we have to get." But, I have had "no calls" as the L, which my partner as the T has called blocks. That's why I passed on the play.

2 Person.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by hbioteach

I was at the 3 point line on the opposite side of the lane and had a goog look at the play. I spoke with my partner at halftime who said he agrees that we should have had something on the play but froze on the initial play.

I always grab a non PC/block out of my primary if I think, "That's definitely a foul we have to get." But, I have had "no calls" as the L, which my partner as the T has called blocks. That's why I passed on the play.

If you were T, and were at the 3-point line on the opposite side of the lane, where was C? This is his call, unless L had already rotated.

Either way if it was on the opposite side of the court, I have a hard time seeing how this is your call...

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you were T, and were at the 3-point line on the opposite side of the lane, where was C? This is his call, unless L had already rotated.

Either way if it was on the opposite side of the court, I have a hard time seeing how this is your call...

It was a two whistle game

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you were T, and were at the 3-point line on the opposite side of the lane, where was C? This is his call, unless L had already rotated.

Either way if it was on the opposite side of the court, I have a hard time seeing how this is your call...

I believe that he was working a 2-man game.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If you were T, and were at the 3-point line on the opposite side of the lane, where was C? This is his call, unless L had already rotated.

Either way if it was on the opposite side of the court, I have a hard time seeing how this is your call...

I think the OP said it was 2-man. If so, and his partner had a good look, then I'm letting him live or die with the call. Me personally, he would probably have to knock him into the stands before I come all the way across the court down on the endline, right in front of the L to call that play in a 2-man game. If my partner comes back to me and says he froze, then we turn it into a learning experience for him.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It was a two whistle game

Eh, shazam. Time to bring out my hooked on phonics and actually read the posts again. My apologies.

[blindzebra]

If lead is on the baseline and trail is at the 3 point line and the contact occurs in the grey area of primaries...FT line...trail undoubtedly has the best look at this play.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Eh, shazam. Time to bring out my hooked on phonics and actually read the posts again. My apologies.

No need, I've starred in that movie.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I disagree, If an egregious foul happens out of my area and I happen to catch it, I'm waiting for whistle, if it's not there, I'm grabbing it.

I also think I am responsible to some extent for the whole court. I'm trail and ball goes OB on endline and my lead is looking somewhere else for any reason and no whistle, are you going to let him live and die with it?

Semantics yes, but live and die might be a little harsh.

That's why you have a partner as you say.

I am going to have to disagree with you on this. If a play is right in front of my partner and they had a good look, I am going to pass on that "foul" or contact as well. Sometimes we need to let our partner make calls that they are on top of. If they screw up, then that is their issue. If I am watching my partner's area and making calls, who is watching my area?

Peace

[Junker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to disagree with you on this. If a play is right in front of my partner and they had a good look, I am going to pass on that "foul" or contact as well. Sometimes we need to let our partner make calls that they are on top of. If they screw up, then that is their issue. If I am watching my partner's area and making calls, who is watching my area?

Peace

I'm with Rut here.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I think the OP said it was 2-man. If so, and his partner had a good look, then I'm letting him live or die with the call. Me personally, he would probably have to knock him into the stands before I come all the way across the court down on the endline, right in front of the L to call that play in a 2-man game. If my partner comes back to me and says he froze, then we turn it into a learning experience for him.

I also forgot the other important part of my pregame... The proverbial lets "TRUST YOUR PARTNER"!

[Tio]

In a HS game, we should have a whistle 99% of the time there is a crash and bodies are on the floor. If you are 110% certain it was a foul, I would get it. Getting a block charge wrong at the beginning of the game is bad. Not having a whistle on a block/charge on the first play of the game is recipe for a rough and out of control game.

Whether you are the 'R' or not shouldn't have any bearing on whether you make the call. I think another factor to consider whether you come in and get the call depends upon the level of experience of your partners. A rookie may not know how to react to that play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Tio

In a HS game, we should have a whistle 99% of the time there is a crash and bodies are on the floor. If you are 110% certain it was a foul, I would get it. Getting a block charge wrong at the beginning of the game is bad. Not having a whistle on a block/charge on the first play of the game is recipe for a rough and out of control game.

What do you do when bodies crash to the floor and it is not a result of any illegal activity? I disagree that what happens in the first minute means the rest of the game is going to become rough.

Originally Posted by Tio

Whether you are the 'R' or not shouldn't have any bearing on whether you make the call. I think another factor to consider whether you come in and get the call depends upon the level of experience of your partners. A rookie may not know how to react to that play.

They are not going to learn by you calling everything for them either.

Peace

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to disagree with you on this. If a play is right in front of my partner and they had a good look, I am going to pass on that "foul" or contact as well. Sometimes we need to let our partner make calls that they are on top of. If they screw up, then that is their issue. If I am watching my partner's area and making calls, who is watching my area?

Peace

I generally agree with this and subscribe to it, but don't you think there is an inherent flaw with this line of thinking? You aren't going to know if your partner had a "good look" until the next opportunity to talk to your partner...maybe he/she got straightlined, maybe another player or players crossed between him/her at the point of impact, maybe a bug flew in his/her eye...from the L for instance, you aren't necessarily going to know what kind of look your partner is getting at the play from C, they could be in textbook position and still not get the best look...I usually make the point in pregame that if you are 100% certain of a foul in my primary get it...don't guess, but if you are sure that it was a foul I am not getting into a pissing contest about it...just my opinion, but I think it makes us all look better...your point about "who is watching my area" is valid as well though, but I guess it comes down to the lesser of the evils?

[Junker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What do you do when bodies crash to the floor and it is not a result of any illegal activity? I disagree that what happens in the first minute means the rest of the game is going to become rough.



They are not going to learn by you calling everything for them either.

Peace

I agree with Rut here as well. Bad things happen when you extend your coverage areas.