End of Half situation

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Casebook 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended.

FT's to start 2nd half.

Except, the ball hasn't become dead to end the quarters if the FTs for the shooting foul haven't been attempted.

If the FTs have already been attempted, then obviously this case (which is being discussed in another thread today) applies. We're talking about a case where the quarter hasn't actually ended. I just don't know if there's a case book reference for this one.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Except, the ball hasn't become dead to end the quarters if the FTs for the shooting foul haven't been attempted.

If the FTs have already been attempted, then obviously this case (which is being discussed in another thread today) applies. We're talking about a case where the quarter hasn't actually ended. I just don't know if there's a case book reference for this one.

Ok, you are correct it's not clear if the free throws had been shot prior to the T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Case book plays 5.6.2SitD&H. The technical is part of the previous quarter.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book plays 5.6.2SitD&H. The technical is part of the previous quarter.

So, Are you saying treat end of half situations the same as end of game to determine winner or loser?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by truerookie

So, Are you saying treat end of half situations the same as end of game to determine winner or loser?

Just got my casebook out:

5.6.2 D Ruling: "...the two free throws for the technical foul are attempted as part of the fourth quarter as teh foul occured before the fourth quarter had ended."

This seems to apply to any quarter, not just end of game situations.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Just got my casebook out:

5.6.2 D Ruling: "...the two free throws for the technical foul are attempted as part of the fourth quarter as teh foul occured before the fourth quarter had ended."

This seems to apply to any quarter, not just end of game situations.

Agreed!! in the OP it's not totally clear whether the T happen before of after the FT's for the foul shot ending the half.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Agreed!! in the OP it's not totally clear whether the T happen before of after the FT's for the foul shot ending the half.

My bad. The technical happened prior to the free throws for the foul. Team B didn't have to stick around for those free throws, so that is why they left the court. I'm assuming an assistant or some representative stayed to watch.

Good responses! The free throws for the T were given right after the free throws for the shooting foul. In the locker room the JV officials were told by the varsity officials there for the next game that they should have shot the T free throws to start the 3rd quarter........

[MidMadness]

Do you give the ball to the team who shot the technical to start the 2nd half or go to the arrow?? I would say you give it to the team who shot the technicals??Correct??

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by MidMadness

Do you give the ball to the team who shot the technical to start the 2nd half or go to the arrow?? I would say you give it to the team who shot the technicals??Correct??

Wrong. The FT's for the "T" were shot as part of the second quarter. No part of a penalty in one quarter carries over to the next quarter. That's rule 5-6EXCEPTION3. The throw-in was part of the penalty for the "T" which was part of the second quarter.

Start the third quarter with an AP throw-in.

[tjones1]

If the technical occurred before all the free throws were complete it is still part of the 2nd quarter. Shoot the two technical foul free throws before heading to the locker room. In this situation, to start the 3rd quarter you use the AP (penalty can't carry over).

If it occurred after the shots were completed. The 3rd quarter is started with two shots for the technical foul. Team A gets the ball at the division line for a throw-in. The AP is not used in this situation, thus it doesn't get reversed.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tjones1

If the technical occurred before all the free throws were complete it is still part of the 2nd quarter. Shoot the two technical foul free throws before heading to the locker room. In this situation, to start the 3rd quarter you use the AP (penalty can't carry over).

If it occurred after the shots were completed. The 3rd quarter is started with two shots for the technical foul. Team A gets the ball at the division line for a throw-in. The AP is not used in this situation, thus it doesn't get reversed.

That's the right answer(s).

[Jimgolf]

Ironically, I watched a boys varsity game last weekend where the same thing happened, except that there were no shots to be taken (player control foul). The coach apparently said one of the magic words on his way to the locker room, and a rabbit-eared official T'd him up. They took the shots right then, not waiting for the third quarter. Two varsity officials I asked later that weekend said this was the correct procedure. From what I see here, this should have been done at the start of the third quarter.

Would this be considered a correctable error, had the coach known the correct rule? (The shooter made both FTs, so perhaps he might have wanted the shots taken again in the hope one or more would be missed.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

Would this be considered a correctable error,

Which part of 2-10 applies?

The only thing to "correct" would be to give the ball to the correct team as part of the penalty to start the third quarter. Once that throw-in ends, however, then it's too late.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

The coach apparently said one of the magic words on his way to the locker room, and a rabbit-eared official T'd him up. They took the shots right then, not waiting for the third quarter. Two varsity officials I asked later that weekend said this was the correct procedure. From what I see here, this should have been done at the start of the third quarter.

Would this be considered a correctable error, had the coach known the correct rule? (The shooter made both FTs, so perhaps he might have wanted the shots taken again in the hope one or more would be missed.)

Rabbit-eared? For not ignoring being sworn at? I sureasheck wouldn't call that rabbit-eared. I'd call it taking care of bidness.

Yes, the FT's for the "T" should have been taken at the start of the third quarter and the shooting team also should have got the throw-in that goes along with the "T"(instead of an AP throw-in). It is not a correctable error per se though. All merited FT's were taken.