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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:24pm
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End of Half situation
Heard this situation last week in a JV game......

A1 gets fouled by B1 on shooting attempt right before buzzer to end the 2nd quarter. So we have 0:00.0 and horn, arrow currently in B's favor, and shooting free throws for the shooting foul. Team B is heading towards locker room. Coach B voices disagreement on the call, turns and walks towards locker room, after a few steps turns back and unleashes a "no-no" comment and gets whacked with a technical.

Please lay out the correct procedure to handle this. Please include where the technical should be applied for team foul count (first or second half), when to shoot the technical foul shots (right away or to start 3rd quarter), and who gets ball to start the 3rd quarter.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:30pm
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shoot the shooting foul immediately since buzzer didn't go off. T is enforced to begin 3rd period as it occurred following the end of the period.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:30pm
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My Guess...
A shoots 2 shots...because the T was called before the shots were taken, give any player from team A 2 shots for the technical before going to locker rooms...Before refs leave confines, change arrow at half to Team A..and give Team A the ball to start the second half from the tech. and leave the arrow facing A ???
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:37pm
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shoot the shooting foul immediately since buzzer didn't go off. T is enforced to begin 3rd period as it occurred following the end of the period.
I think OP is saying that foul occurred just before buzzer, but buzzer then went off meaning that it was too close to stop the clock...in this case, let A1 shoot his/her FT's, go to half, let A shoot the tech ft's to start the 3rd quarter and give the ball to A to start the quarter....ap doesn't change, first jump ball of the second half will go to B according to OP...tech on head coach applies towards tf count for second half....
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:42pm
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A shoots 2 shots...because the T was called before the shots were taken, give any player from team A 2 shots for the technical before going to locker rooms...Before refs leave confines, change arrow at half to Team A..and give Team A the ball to start the second half from the tech. and leave the arrow facing A ???
I agree with this statement, but would love someone to find a reference.

The quarter hasn't ended when the T is called. Therefore I'd think it would be enforced at the end of the 2nd quarter, rather than the start of the 3rd...
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:50pm
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The half doesn't end until the free throws are shot, so this is a 2nd quarter T. Shoot all shots prior to intermission. 3rd quarter will start with an AP throwin.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:53pm
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Wait I'm confused, when was B leaving the floor, before or after the free throws were shot? I assumed that this was AFTER the free throws were shot, quarter had ended?
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 01:55pm
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Wait I'm confused, when was B leaving the floor, before or after the free throws were shot? I assumed that this was AFTER the free throws were shot, quarter had ended?
Hmm...now that I re-read the OP, I can't tell whether it was before or after the FTs either...

Obviously it makes all the difference in this situation.
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I agree with this statement, but would love someone to find a reference.

The quarter hasn't ended when the T is called. Therefore I'd think it would be enforced at the end of the 2nd quarter, rather than the start of the 3rd...
Casebook 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended.

FT's to start 2nd half.
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Casebook 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended.

FT's to start 2nd half.
Except, the ball hasn't become dead to end the quarters if the FTs for the shooting foul haven't been attempted.

If the FTs have already been attempted, then obviously this case (which is being discussed in another thread today) applies. We're talking about a case where the quarter hasn't actually ended. I just don't know if there's a case book reference for this one.
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Old Tue Jan 08, 2008, 02:07pm
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Casebook 5.6 Comment B: If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws. This applies even when the foul occurs after the first half has ended.

FT's to start 2nd half.
The ball hasn't become dead TO END THE QUARTER yet. Tech FTs to end second quarter.
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Except, the ball hasn't become dead to end the quarters if the FTs for the shooting foul haven't been attempted.

If the FTs have already been attempted, then obviously this case (which is being discussed in another thread today) applies. We're talking about a case where the quarter hasn't actually ended. I just don't know if there's a case book reference for this one.

Ok, you are correct it's not clear if the free throws had been shot prior to the T.
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Case book plays 5.6.2SitD&H. The technical is part of the previous quarter.
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A1 gets fouled by B1 on shooting attempt right before buzzer to end the 2nd quarter. So we have 0:00.0 and horn, arrow currently in B's favor, and shooting free throws for the shooting foul. Team B is heading towards locker room. Coach B voices disagreement on the call, turns and walks towards locker room, after a few steps turns back and unleashes a "no-no" comment and gets whacked with a technical.

Please lay out the correct procedure to handle this. Please include where the technical should be applied for team foul count (first or second half), when to shoot the technical foul shots (right away or to start 3rd quarter), and who gets ball to start the 3rd quarter.
A1 gets 2 FT's with no one on the lane. Team A gets 2 FT's for the B coach's "T". All of this is part of the second quarter. Half time. The third quarter starts with an AP.
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Case book plays 5.6.2SitD&H. The technical is part of the previous quarter.
So, Are you saying treat end of half situations the same as end of game to determine winner or loser?
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