help with 3 man rotation

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by pghboy

true rookie, thanks for the info-any more detail on the three points you mentioned

Do you have an official's manual for 3-person? This will lay out the coverage areas specifically...just a few items off the top of my head...have a patient whistle, give your partner first shot at the action in their primary....this is especially true as the L, don't be quick to reach through the lane to C's area to pull fouls out of there, give C the first shot...same on rebounding action, most of those fouls will come from C or L....get as wide as you can from the L to get the big picture...don't worry a ton about rotations, but L will intiate them, just get across and rotate when you believe you need to be on the other side to officiate the action there. Most rotations start to come naturally, if you are on one side and the ball and 8 players are on the other, then get over there. Don't be lazy as the C and don't bail out, close down a step from the C when the shot goes up... Worry about calling your game, the rest will come - see if you can get out and watch a few 3-person games before your game, this will help you....

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by kbilla

have a patient whistle, give your partner first shot at the action in their primary....this is especially true as the L, don't be quick to reach through the lane to C's area to pull fouls out of there, give C the first shot...

This is getting interesting. Let's think about all the plays that could happen in a basketball game. If you look at all the plays the C would call - plays that are not in a dual area, but clearly in the C's primary - and divide them up into two categories: plays where the Lead should have a whistle and plays where the Lead shouldn't have a whistle. Now, we all know the plays where the Lead should NOT have a whistle will outnumber the others by a mile. Having come to that conclusion, what should that Lead plan for, to call across the lane slow whistle and all or not call across the lane? Common sense would say to plan not to make calls across the lane. Since the OP may get confused with backside help, stop right there! Don't call across the paint. If you feel like you just have to look over there, rotate over there. If you feel like you have to look out top too...well then you are watching the ball and that is a whole different subject.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This is getting interesting. Let's think about all the plays that could happen in a basketball game. If you look at all the plays the C would call - plays that are not in a dual area, but clearly in the C's primary - and divide them up into two categories: plays where the Lead should have a whistle and plays where the Lead shouldn't have a whistle. Now, we all know the plays where the Lead should NOT have a whistle will outnumber the others by a mile. Having come to that conclusion, what should that Lead plan for, to call across the lane slow whistle and all or not call across the lane? Common sense would say to plan not to make calls across the lane. Since the OP may get confused with backside help, stop right there! Don't call across the paint. If you feel like you just have to look over there, rotate over there. If you feel like you have to look out top too...well then you are watching the ball and that is a whole different subject.

Agreed in a basic sense to say don't call across the lane, but if I am C there is a skip and a quick drive out of my primary (not time to rotate) and B1 reaches in and grabs A1's arm and I am straightlined and don't get it then I would hope to hell that the L would help me out...better to have a late whistle than no whistle if it IS a foul...but correct, if you have to default into "don't call across the lane" and "do", then yeah stay out of there...

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=kbilla] same on rebounding action, most of those fouls will come from C or L....

Don't you mean most rebounding action will come from C or T. Rarely should the lead have a push from behind.

[kbilla]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by kbilla

same on rebounding action, most of those fouls will come from C or L....

Don't you mean most rebounding action will come from C or T. Rarely should the lead have a push from behind.

Sorry, exactly what I meant they should come from C or T..thanks...

[blindzebra]

Really simple.

Relax and don't forget to officiate the game.

As lead, try to put your partners in the best position to officiate and that will lead to proper rotations, if you feel like you should be looking over there you should be moving over there.

As trail you will be able to see the lead go across, just fill in as they do.

As center if you are reffing on ball, you should be expecting a rotation, and you can easily pick up the old trail moving down as lead comes over.

In any case just get where you need to be to call the game and let the mechanics iron themselves out from there.

As you start getting the "feel" of it, the trust of your partners begins to grow and you'll find it even easier to move, ref, and cover the court.

[lpbreeze]

I've been watching a couple games and I just couldn't figure out what was going on. Sometime the C was dropping down sometimes not. Sometimes there were Two C and these were experienced refs.
Are high school and NCAA same movement? I found it easier to understand watching NCAA. When I read about it I'm sure I will understand it more.

[Mregor]

1. You can not over rotate.
2. Double whistles are OK.
3. Be strong at C.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

I've been watching a couple games and I just couldn't figure out what was going on. Sometime the C was dropping down sometimes not. Sometimes there were Two C and these were experienced refs.
Are high school and NCAA same movement? I found it easier to understand watching NCAA. When I read about it I'm sure I will understand it more.

It seems that in NCAA games I have watched, the C & T take far more latitude as far as how far up and back they work than what they teach you in camps - at least NF camps....usually in NF it is a step or two above or below the FT line for C, but some of these guys work halfway to the baseline as C sometimes...I suppose it comes back to get in the best position to see the play, makes sense...

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kbilla

It seems that in NCAA games I have watched, the C & T take far more latitude as far as how far up and back they work than what they teach you in camps - at least NF camps....usually in NF it is a step or two above or below the FT line for C, but some of these guys work halfway to the baseline as C sometimes...I suppose it comes back to get in the best position to see the play, makes sense...

I know I take far more latitude than many at C - depending on the type of offense being run. I like to be above the players on the wing, not below, and to do this at times I have to get more than two steps above the FT line extended. Not often, but I still do it.

I used to work below, but I found I couldn't keep an eye on secondary plays in my primary very well, and I often got straightlined on drives to the basket on the baseline side.

I also step quite a ways down in quick transition plays at the hoop - about halfway down the lane, though this isn't much more than 2 steps from the FT line extended.

[bigdog5142]

Had my first three person in Dec...have my other varsity game Friday...weirdest thing for me was the decrease in calls that everyone makes. Overall, the same number of calls are made during the course of the game...it's just that YOU don't blow the whistle as much as there is another official. After my first game, I was thinking that I didn't blow the whistle as much...then I realized that with another official on the court...the calls are more spread out!