Partner with different philosophy

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Vinski

In my brief carrier, one thing that I have noticed that varies frequently among different calling styles is traveling. Especially in lower level games where you see more of it. However, some refs call it tight regardless of the level. Try to grab at least a few seconds and discuss this with your partner if you can. When you have one ref calling travel on every little drag or slight stammer and the other official is letting some of those things go, the lopsided calling is obvious. However, as Nevada stated, if you try to change your officiating style to match someone else’s, you will not be happy with your self afterwards.

I have a different theory on traveling. If you call it consistently in the lower levels, then they learn and it won't be a problem in the higher levels. Currently in the higher levels, college and high school, I tend to call the obvious traveling calls. If I can't get it the first time, because it may be borderline, to quick or ugly, then it is probably either not traveling or getting kicked. Regardless of what same may think on here, assignors have a problem with officials who want to over officiate and constantly interrupt the game with borderline, non-advantageous calls like a slight/possible travel, or slightly stepping over the endline on a throw-in after a basket.

And I guess since I may be your first response, I think you meant to say "career" vs. carrier.

[Junker]

This is a good subject for pregame. Obviously you don't tell someone how to call a game, but you can discuss patient whistles, not bailing out shooters, handchecks, illegal screens and stuch. I agree that after that you should call your game. When you change what you do you get yourself in trouble. I tried to do some adjustment in a JUCO game this season and I wish I wouldn't have. I made a call to help with "consistancy" that I normally woulnd't have and the coach knew me and knew I shouldn't have called it. It was a good learning experience. From here on out I call my game.

[JoeTheRef]

When in Rome... I hear that often on here and I have to agree with it. Had a college game this year where I told the "R" during a timeout that I am having a philosophical dilemma. I've been trained all summer long not to make the calls he wanted me to make, and it kind of screwed my head up for the 1st half. After I told him that, I called the game that HE wanted, which I didn't have a problem doing because it was probably like I would call a high school game. Just to clarify, I've been told countless times this entire summer, this ain't high school, at this level the girls can play through some stuff.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

When in Rome... I hear that often on here and I have to agree with it. Had a college game this year where I told the "R" during a timeout that I am having a philosophical dilemma. I've been trained all summer long not to make the calls he wanted me to make, and it kind of screwed my head up for the 1st half. After I told him that, I called the game that HE wanted, which I didn't have a problem doing because it was probably like I would call a high school game. Just to clarify, I've been told countless times this entire summer, this ain't high school, at this level the girls can play through some stuff.

Since when does the referee dictate how you officiate?

[JS 20]

This is my 7th year as a referee but my first year of HS (F and JV) ball. I've done a ton of middle school, men's rec and intramurals since I was 18. Being my first year, that's the biggest thing I've had to adjust to is working w/ veteran guys who want to control the game a certain way and I really don't agree with it. One guy told me he wouldn't call any fouls in the first minute of the game unless it was blatant and had to be called. This wasn't so bad. Other guys have had the "well if fouls are 7-1, i'm going to find one) theories which I totally object to.

I'm interested to see what my philosophies are in 10 years. Honestly, as a first year guy, I don't care what my partner calls or how he calls. I'm going to call what I see, when I see it. Sure, I let some contact go, I know the difference b/w a ticky tack foul and an obvious foul. But still I don't think it's fair to "find one" b/c fouls are lopsided, or to not call a travel that's not obvious but still a travel just b/c you called one two posessions ago. Keep the players from breaking the rules and let them decide the game.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JS 20

This is my 7th year as a referee but my first year of HS (F and JV) ball. I've done a ton of middle school, men's rec and intramurals since I was 18. Being my first year, that's the biggest thing I've had to adjust to is working w/ veteran guys who want to control the game a certain way and I really don't agree with it. One guy told me he wouldn't call any fouls in the first minute of the game unless it was blatant and had to be called. This wasn't so bad. Other guys have had the "well if fouls are 7-1, i'm going to find one) theories which I totally object to.

I'm interested to see what my philosophies are in 10 years. Honestly, as a first year guy, I don't care what my partner calls or how he calls. I'm going to call what I see, when I see it. Sure, I let some contact go, I know the difference b/w a ticky tack foul and an obvious foul. But still I don't think it's fair to "find one" b/c fouls are lopsided, or to not call a travel that's not obvious but still a travel just b/c you called one two posessions ago. Keep the players from breaking the rules and let them decide the game.

Did you ever wonder why it took you 7 years of middle school and wreck ball just to get a taste of high school ball, Fresh & JV at that?? I'm not saying what you're saying is right or wrong, to each his own. I was just curious if you ever wondered or questioned where you are in your career path and why you are where you are. I am in my 7th year of officiating and currently working my first year of College (NCAA-W DII) and our philosophies differ in many ways. If you ever decide to question yourself, start with your statement highlighted above. JMO

Edited: JS, I can't say what I said without elaborating. You should care what your partners are calling and how they are calling the game. First thing I say in my pregame, and I don't care if I have a more veteran ref or newbie ref on my crew, is that we are going to call this game on the same sheet of music. Or in other words, we are going to be consistent tonight as a crew. Whether that is going to be consistently good or consistently bad, we are going to be consistent. Now if I have you calling stuff all over the court that you see and you judge as a "foul" and it's not consistent with the crew or the flow of the game, I'm calling you out at the first timeout we get. You my friend can cause havoc in a game with the mentality of the highlighted portion of your post. Again my .02.

[FrankHtown]

Joe, that was a very supercilious response. There are a number of factors that contribute to where a person is on their career path, not all of them having to do with knowing the rules or how to call a game.

I, for example, am in my 50's. I have no aspiration to graduate to JUCO, Division II or Division I or the NBA. But I go to camps every year to be the best High School ref I can be. I have no desire to start travelling 3 hours by car to get to some JUCO game that starts at 7:30 pm, and get home at 1am, then get back up at 5:30 to go to work.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Did you ever wonder why it took you 7 years of middle school and wreck ball just to get a taste of high school ball, Fresh & JV at that?? I'm not saying what you're saying is right or wrong, to each his own. I was just curious if you ever wondered or questioned where you are in your career path and why you are where you are. I am in my 7th year of officiating and currently working my first year of College (NCAA-W DII) and our philosophies differ in many ways. If you ever decide to question yourself, start with your statement highlighted above. JMO

Edited: JS, I can't say what I said without elaborating. You should care what your partners are calling and how they are calling the game. First thing I say in my pregame, and I don't care if I have a more veteran ref or newbie ref on my crew, is that we are going to call this game on the same sheet of music. Or in other words, we are going to be consistent tonight as a crew. Whether that is going to be consistently good or consistently bad, we are going to be consistent. Now if I have you calling stuff all over the court that you see and you judge as a "foul" and it's not consistent with the crew or the flow of the game, I'm calling you out at the first timeout we get. You my friend can cause havoc in a game with the mentality of the highlighted portion of your post. Again my .02.

So you dictate how the other officials call games?

I find it just isn't that way once you've been doing this a while. Your philosophies aren't going to be THAT different and all officials, if they care, are going to try to meet in the middle.

It's this "I'm the ref and you're going to call it my way" crap I saw earlier in this thread that I think is nonsense. I'm not saying that's what you said above, so if we're on the same page, let me know. Good R's will slide to their partners as much as the partners adjust to them.