Violation

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Ball in backcourt with much pressure. A1 picks up dribble and passes to A2 who jumps from frontcourt, while in the air A2 catches ball and lands in backcourt ... violation?

If A2 had jumped from OOB, instead of the frontcourt, and landed inbounds, instead of in the backcourt, would you call a violation?

[Johnny Ringo]

Does it depend on how you got OOB in the first place?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Does it depend on all you got OOB in the first place?

Could you rephrase this using proper English grammar, please? Thanks.

[Johnny Ringo]

Sorry ... did not know we had English teachers in here ...

Does it depend on how you got OOB in the first place?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Sorry ... did not know we had English teachers in here ...

Does it depend on how you got OOB in the first place?

We go through stages of being snotty and nit-picky about grammar, vocab, etc and then we try to back off for a while, and then we get nit-picky again for a while.

However, I think Mark's question was because he really didn't understand what you were trying to say. It looks to me like your clarification was a necessary one.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Sorry ... did not know we had English teachers in here ...

Does it depend on how you got OOB in the first place?

No, it doesn't. And, the question was impossible to understand the way it was originally phrased.

[Johnny Ringo]

impossible to understand? Come on ... not that difficult to figure out. What all possibilities could there be?

Nevadaref are you going to educate us on this one?

A player coming from OOB? Would he be the sixth player resulting in a technical.

Was he OOB in because of a normal play off the ball? This would still be a violation if he was last in the FC.

Did he go out OOB on his own? This is a violation in its own.

Help me out here, I am running out of scenarios!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Nevadaref are you going to educate us on this one?

A player coming from OOB? Would he be the sixth player resulting in a technical.

Was he OOB in because of a normal play off the ball? This would still be a violation if he was last in the FC.

Did he go out OOB on his own? This is a violation in its own.

Johnny, your scenarios are irrelevant. Nevadaref's point is simply that if A1 was standing out of bounds, then jumped and caught a pass before landing inbounds, you would call an out of bounds violation.

This is exactly the same rationale as the backcourt situation. If the player is standing in the frontcourt, jumps and catches a pass from the backcourt before landing in the backcourt, you would call a backcourt violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

impossible to understand?

Yes. "Does it depend on all you got OOB in the first place?" doesn't make any sense.


The rules book (or case book) contains some statement to the effect that "noothher infraction or complication is included in the play unless specifically mentioned." That's generally applied here, as well. so, If Nevada askas about a player being OOB, you can assume the player is legally OOB, unless the facts indicate otherwise.

And, if he's legally OOB, then it doesn't matter why he's legally OOB -- momentum, he was the inbounder, etc. and, if he was illegally OOB, then the play "doesn't happen" -- enforce the penalty for being illegally OOB.

Look, you made a typo. I'm the king of the typos. It's not the end of the world. Just admit it and go on.