Tenn vs Xavier - T

[grunewar]

Anyone watching?

69-67, ~ 5 minutes to play. Bruce Pearl, Coach, Tenn, steps out of the coaches box (after being warned earlier in the game) in the heat of the moment by a foot or so, exerting his team to play good D. Whack! Ref 'T's him. Announcer said, "that's an embarrassment to college basketball." Announcers said, ref should understand "the intent of the rule."

Pearl of course becomes unglued, comes on the court, uses several explitives, and of course - no T here.

Overall, good game!

[Nevadaref]

It wasn't a foot or so. He had BOTH feet inbounds. His left foot was probably four feet onto the court and his right about one foot.

Since the NCAA has taken the position that the coaches MUST stay out of bounds and in their coaching areas, I have no problem with the enforcement of the rule.

BTW The Xavier coach received a T earlier in the game, which may have also been for his position outside of the box.

[grunewar]

Must have motivated his players, as they smoked Xavier after that and won going away!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Must have motivated his players, as they smoked Xavier after that and won going away!

Yeah, I'm sure that was it.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW The Xavier coach received a T earlier in the game, which may have also been for his position outside of the box.

I was watching the game, and my memory is 90% certain that this was, indeed, what got Miller a T in the first half.

That said, how 'bout 'dem Memphis Tigers???

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I was watching the game, and my memory is 90% certain that this was, indeed, what got Miller a T in the first half.

That said, how 'bout 'dem Memphis Tigers???

Yep, Mark, they looked good today against the Hoyas! Hibbert was a non-factor.

[tjones1]

It was fun reading the lips of Bruce's assistant coaches as well after he got the T.

[TRef21]

The coaches are the ones who make the rules so why the hell should there be any questions on how they are enforced. You know I didn't see the game but heard about it on ESPN a little while ago. I would like to hear what the observer at the game had to say or what Hank Nichols would say. Honestly if Pearl was warned even if coaching his team and he did again, well deserved. Plus I bet we don't know how many warnings he had received after the first one as well. TV doesn't show all of that as well. He could have been warned 5x's after that and we never saw or heard anything since we are all focused on the play or off ball stuff when watching.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I was watching the game, and my memory is 90% certain that this was, indeed, what got Miller a T in the first half.

He was definitely complaining, but I believe that it was more where he was while he was complaining that got him nailed.

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

That said, how 'bout 'dem Memphis Tigers???

[golfdesigner]

I have been watching, and have it on the DVR, I went back several times to see what went on, Bruce was at the right hand side of the "N" in Cintas, about maybe 3-feet outside of the box. If he was warned earlier in the game, maybe he should have gotten the T, seems a bit picky to me, but by the way, the supervisior of officials was said to be in the house, so maybe that had something to do with it too.

I did see one time worse than this as far as being nit-picky, last year, Illinois got a T for six players on the floor when an Illinois player, having just been taken out of the game, walked down the bench and cut across the last 3-ft of the corner, about 84-ft from the play and the action, and got rung up with a T for 6-players on the floor.

[Rich]

I went to Tennessee for grad school, so I always watch the Vols when I can.

The POE is clear, the officials have their orders, and like it or not, they've been consistent in the application. The announcers, though, will blame the on-court guys. What else is new?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Anyone watching?

69-67, ~ 5 minutes to play. Bruce Pearl, Coach, Tenn, steps out of the coaches box (after being warned earlier in the game) in the heat of the moment by a foot or so, exerting his team to play good D. Whack! Ref 'T's him. Announcer said, "that's an embarrassment to college basketball." Announcers said, ref should understand "the intent of the rule."

Pearl of course becomes unglued, comes on the court, uses several explitives, and of course - no T here.

Overall, good game!

I did not see the game. Based on what you just described, the Hank Nichols said this is how he wanted it called. If he had been warned and then violated the rule that is how they wanted it called. And Jim Boehiem of Syracuse who is the chairperson (or President) of the National Association of College Coaches claimed that is how they wanted this called without consideration to the game or the time of the game. If coaches do not like the way it is called, change the philosophy. The officials are being asked to call it this way and apparently the official did just what he was told. Do I agree with that philosophy? Of course I do not, but that is how they want it called and if you want to continue to work games, you do what you are told.

Peace

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not see the game. Based on what you just described, the Hank Nichols said this is how he wanted it called. If he had been warned and then violated the rule that is how they wanted it called. And Jim Boehiem of Syracuse who is the chairperson (or President) of the National Association of College Coaches claimed that is how they wanted this called without consideration to the game or the time of the game. If coaches do not like the way it is called, change the philosophy. The officials are being asked to call it this way and apparently the official did just what he was told. Do I agree with that philosophy? Of course I do not, but that is how they want it called and if you want to continue to work games, you do what you are told.

Peace

Exactly!!! Even if we disagree with the whole thats the rule we enforce if we want to work.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by TRef21

Exactly!!! Even if we disagree with the whole thats the rule we enforce if we want to work.

The media does hate it. Whether it is a POE or not, every one of my supervisors told us that there would be severe penalties for not calling this. At the lower levels we have been told that we will get games taken away for not enforcing: 1 warning to be marked in book when out of box to coach, auto-T on second offense. Auto-T for criticizing officials out of the box. I'm more interetsed in what the observers noted if there was that kind of reaciton to the first T. I have yet to see a coach get warned for coaching out of the box yet, and only a couple for exiting the box to address (undress) an official. They've been very aware and compliant in the games I've worked, which has been a pleasant surprise.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

The media does hate it. Whether it is a POE or not, every one of my supervisors told us that there would be severe penalties for not calling this. At the lower levels we have been told that we will get games taken away for not enforcing: 1 warning to be marked in book when out of box to coach, auto-T on second offense. Auto-T for criticizing officials out of the box. I'm more interetsed in what the observers noted if there was that kind of reaciton to the first T. I have yet to see a coach get warned for coaching out of the box yet, and only a couple for exiting the box to address (undress) an official. They've been very aware and compliant in the games I've worked, which has been a pleasant surprise.

Likewise. The coaches I have had so far have been good with. I only had to warn a coach once in D3 game. I had a play were a little guy got rejected from behind by a big guy and the coach, staying in his box came walking down and was voicing his displeasure. I warned him and that was it didn't say much. The coaches that find it the hardest and really don't think it relates to them is the JC coaches. There was a situation where my partner got a coach from bench decorum and stepped out i guess. Good T. Thing i hated was that I was right in front of the bench going from Trail to new lead and partner is the C and sticks him from a cross. I didn't see anything since I wasn't looking at his bench of him, just players transitioning down the court. But I did see my partner get him though . Sp after that he tells my partner it doesn't apply to JC and all that. Well as long JC's are under the NCAA i think does. LOL!!!