Blocked shot with contact

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Do you know how tough that would be for those FEEBLE guys to try and figure that out in metric?

That's why it's never caught on in the rest of the world.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Do you know how tough that would be for those FEEBLE guys to try and figure that out in metric?

Wouldn't it be cleaner for you "Imperials" to say 1392/348 instead of 80/20?

To remain in the argument, also in FIBA (at least in Italy) a slight contact after the block should be ignored as incidental. For example, many times the contact is caused by the movement of the shooter after the block.

Definitely no tip signal.

Ciao

Originally Posted by ABO77

I have a tough time consistantly calling a player jumping and blocking a try and then make some contact after the block. Somtimes I have a foul...sometimes I dont. It seems everybody has their own opinion on this type of call/no call. I hear some officials treat it kinda like a blocked punt in football...some contact afterwards ok. But the next official will have a foul on the same exact play ...comments.

Lots of good comments here. My view is based on verticality. If the defender stays in his vertical plane and blocks the ball, and then there is contact, no foul. Usually if the defender stays in his vertical plane the contact is initiated by the offense player. If the defernder goes out of his vertical plane, regardless if it is after the shot, it's a foul unless it is deemed incidental. Keep in mind that a bump that occurs after the shot and moves the offense could put him out of position to get a rebound, catch the blocked shot, receive a quick pass back, etc., so claiming there was "no disadvantage" just because it was after the shot is pretty weak IMO.

On a related note, many officials believe defenders need to be "set" with both feet on the ground in order to get the benefit of a charge call. Wrong. I like to see officials sho have the guts to call a charge when the defender jumps vertically and the ballhandler jumps into the defender, or the defender is moving away (i.e., a step backward or to the side) from the advancing ballhandler (who initiates contact) or is set but is turning to protect himself from the collision.

[btaylor64]

ABO77,

I just got into this thread so I'm not going to remotely try to read all the posts so if I reply the same as someone else... listen to that person too. haha.


This is a very difficult play to referee sometimes. I think you are right to say sometimes you have a foul on it and sometimes you don't, just make sure you have a reason and explanation of why you are reffing each play as you do. Don't be inconsistent in blowing one and then the same type play happens and you don't blow.


I hate, for whatever reason, using advantage/disadvantage all the time cause I believe there are some plays out there that need a whistle regardless of advantage/disadvantage, but it wouldn't be bad to use it here I guess.

Anyway, on plays to the hoop where the defender is coming from behind, you want to judge when the defender makes contact with the offensive player. Does he block the shot and then make contact? If so, how much contact? Enough to warrant to whistle? IMO these type plays with a blocked shot and then contact, I prefer a play-on unless the contact is sooo much that I can't ignore, i.e., running the guy into the stantion.

Plays that start with contact and then a block, I will 9 out of 10 times come up with a foul. The contact has to be marginal for me to come up with nothing though.

As you can tell this is very subjective, but try not to question yourself too much. Just always try to remember this question and see if it helps. "If this game was on tape, would the tape validate my call on this play or would it just show a clean block?"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is a very difficult play to referee sometimes. I think you are right to say sometimes you have a foul on it and sometimes you don't, just make sure you have a reason and explanation of why you are reffing each play as you do. Don't be inconsistent in blowing one and then the same type play happens and you don't blow.

I hate, for whatever reason, using advantage/disadvantage all the time cause I believe there are some plays out there that need a whistle regardless of advantage/disadvantage, but it wouldn't be bad to use it here I guess.

Anyway, on plays to the hoop where the defender is coming from behind, you want to judge when the defender makes contact with the offensive player. Does he block the shot and then make contact? If so, how much contact? Enough to warrant to whistle? IMO these type plays with a blocked shot and then contact, I prefer a play-on unless the contact is sooo much that I can't ignore, i.e., running the guy into the stantion.

Plays that start with contact and then a block, I will 9 out of 10 times come up with a foul. The contact has to be marginal for me to come up with nothing though.

As you can tell this is very subjective, but try not to question yourself too much. Just always try to remember this question and see if it helps. "If this game was on tape, would the tape validate my call on this play or would it just show a clean block?"

Hmmmmmm........

Well stated and logical too imo.