Wild and crazy night

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I'm sorry Oh Great One, but whereinthehell did I say anything about "trying to invent something" or "trying TO even things up"???

All I said was be cognizant instead of all of sudden noticing it's 7-0.
Geez! You couldn't wait to jump in huh
Carry on board, I have games to go work.


a-b-c ya!

Several questions:

Penn Coach said, "After I noticed it was 7-0, I was aware that it would probably be good to find one soon..." The response by several was that we NEVER should think it would be time to find one soon. Just call the game. And by the way he didn't say 7-0 was a surprise to him.

Q1. Why should I be cognizant of team fouls, if at all? Is there any good reason to have this information?

Q2. So, I am officiating like you said and cognizant of the team fouls. Your response about being cognizant says to me you are telling Penn Coach he should have started looking to find one on the other team earlier than he did. So, when should I start looking...2-0, 4-0?

[MCJB Ump]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

Several questions:

Penn Coach said, "After I noticed it was 7-0, I was aware that it would probably be good to find one soon..." The response by several was that we NEVER should think it would be time to find one soon. Just call the game. And by the way he didn't say 7-0 was a surprise to him.

Q1. Why should I be cognizant of team fouls, if at all? Is there any good reason to have this information?

Q2. So, I am officiating like you said and cognizant of the team fouls. Your response about being cognizant says to me you are telling Penn Coach he should have started looking to find one on the other team earlier than he did. So, when should I start looking...2-0, 4-0?

I like to know when a team is close to the bonus situation. When a foul is called I'm more cognizant of who the shooter will be.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by MCJB Ump

I like to know when a team is close to the bonus situation. When a foul is called I'm more cognizant of who the shooter will be.

Daryl agrees with what your are saying. We discussed this thread at dinner after our games tonight. We, as officials, should not be concerned about the foul disparity but should be aware of foul totals with regard to bonus situations.

This thread reminds me of the summer league game I once had. It was a boys' JV level game at when the first half was over the head coach of the team that was losing very badly told my partner and I that we had called 17 fouls on his team and only 5 on the opposing team. He wanted to know what he should tell his players. I told him to tell them to stop fouling.

MTD, Sr.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Damn, I rewrote that sentence a couple times because I was hoping it wouldn't be the only line in there that anyone wanted to talk about.

I wouldn't call anything that wasn't a foul a foul. But there are always some plays in the gray area. If I make a minor judgment adjustment in that situation, that means I'm ethically corrupt?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

If I make a minor judgment adjustment in that situation, that means I'm ethically corrupt?

If your "minor judgment adjustment" means that you're calling something that hasn't been called all game, and also something that hasn't been called equally and evenly on both teams, then your judgment change is faulty imo.

Why adjust anything just because the foul count is 7-0? What is the purpose of your doing so, other than trying to appease a whiny coach?

[johnnyrao]

I have a different question on this one. In the OP it said that at the end of the V game the coach called a TO with 2.2 o 2.1 secs but the clock stopped at 1.8. Is it true that there is no longer such a thing as "lag time"? Isn't it true that if either official clearly saw 2.2 on the clock when the whistle blew for the TO then they could put the clock back to 2.2 since they have definite knowledge?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

Is it true that there is no longer such a thing as "lag time"? Isn't it true that if either official clearly saw 2.2 on the clock when the whistle blew for the TO then they could put the clock back to 2.2 since they have definite knowledge?

Yes and yes.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I wouldn't call anything that wasn't a foul a foul. But there are always some plays in the gray area. If I make a minor judgment adjustment in that situation, that means I'm ethically corrupt?

We are not only ethically corrupt, but morally bankrupt and we probably go home after hard games and kick our dogs. At least that's what some of these Neo-conservative, idealogical purist bull**** artists want us to believe.

[Jimgolf]

Wow. Call the game the same way in the last minute the same as you did in the first. Call the game the same way when the fouls are 7-0 as you did when they were 0-0. Don't try to make yourself look good at the expense of the players and the game.

Now if the calls were 7 by your partner and 0 by you, you'd want to think about how your team was working together.

[JS 20]

what's up everyone? I'm new here and actually find this thread to be what I was looking for. I'm in my 7th year of bball but first year doing HS games (JV and F) In the two JV games I've done, I've had partners who mainly work V and have a ton of exp. Both of them have made comments alluding to the fact that they'll "find one" if things are really lopsided. I don't think this is fair at all and I'm not going to do it that way. What if it's lopsided at the beginning of the second quarter and you call a ticky tack one to try and even it up and that kid winds up fouling out b/c you called a foul you would have let go otherwise? that's not fair at all. I really don't understand where this mentality comes from! I could care less what the fouls are or what the score is until the teams get to the bonus so I can get shooters and until the end of the game regarding the score!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by MCJB Ump

I like to know when a team is close to the bonus situation. When a foul is called I'm more cognizant of who the shooter will be.

This is exactly the right answer. You should ALWAYS be aware of the team fouls. ALWAYS. Not because we need them to be even, but because it's the worst feeling in the world when you have literally no idea who your shooter is. Don't trust the table to know the team fouls. YOU be aware of it.

And here's my two cents on "finding" fouls. I once worked a college game with an official who obviously and blatantly called fouls against one team late in a half to make the foul counts closer. It was embarrassing. He called 4 handchecks in 10 seconds. I was literally embarrassed to be out there. I would never do that.

However, if the team fouls are lopsided, I'm not going to make anything up on the team that has fewer fouls -- but I'm not going to miss any, either. I'm going to make sure that I don't have any errors of omission that favor the team with fewer fouls.