Team or player control?

WhistlesAndStripes · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 20, 2007, 01:20pm

Player A1 is dribbling, closely guarded, at the top of the key. He picks up his dribble, and is still closely guarded. As I get to 4 in my count, he turns toward the back court, away from the defender, and simply drops the ball. As defender B1 attempts to get around him to retrieve the ball, A1 pushes him. I call the foul.

Is there team player control during this time that the ball is bouncing after he has dropped it, and is this a team control or player control foul? Please cite rule references to support your answer.

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 20, 2007, 01:28pm

Team control foul. Rule 4-12-3&4.

WhistlesAndStripes · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 20, 2007, 01:42pm

Thanks. I forgot to look it up when I got home last night. After it happened, I wasn't sure, but there was an interesting followup to this as well.

The play in question occurred with 31 seconds left in the quarter. It was the 7th team foul. We did not shoot FTs, but after the ensuing throw-in, there was not another dead ball until the break. So it could have been a correctable error up to the start of the next quarter. I discussed it with my partner and we decided it was a Team Control foul. Otherwise we could have started the next quarter with the FTs.

Grail · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 20, 2007, 02:27pm

Team Control or Player Control doesn't matter. The penalty is the same. We don't shoot on either one.

IREFU2 · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 21, 2007, 02:40pm

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Originally Posted by Grail

Team Control or Player Control doesn't matter. The penalty is the same. We don't shoot on either one.

Cant be player control......he doesnt have control of the ball!!!!

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 21, 2007, 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by IREFU2

Cant be player control......he doesnt have control of the ball!!!!

That wasn't his point. His point was in the end, it really doesn't matter. The penalty is the same either way.

williebfree · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 22, 2007, 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

We did not shoot FTs, but after the ensuing throw-in, there was not another dead ball until the break. So it could have been a correctable error up to the start of the next quarter.

Just a polite reminder for those who may forget.... A dead ball occurs after a made FG.

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