Ball Handler Pushoff

[Splute]

I agree this is a good PC call if there is contact. One of my pet peeves, if you will. Dribbler pushes off defender then breaks for the basket. Almost as bad as the offense pushing the defense out of their spot in the low post. Which many only catch the defense pushing back..... and when I call it, the coach doesnt like it.... pretty much the same response you got. If I recall the rules correctly, the dribbler can not use the forearm to keep the defender from the ball either. Therefore if the defender is making an attempt for the ball and the dribbler uses his forearm to prevent the defense from normal defensive moves and there is contact; this would also be PC. Correct?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Quality JV boys game (fast, aggressive defense on both sides)...

I call 3 PC fouls on the offensive ball-handler for extending the non-dribbling arm to create space...coach thinks I'm nuts, but the defenders are holding their arms straight up (after I'd already called a few on them for swatting at the ball and missing)
Do you think coaches understand this rule, and how often do you call a PC on the pushoff?

(Ended up T-ing the losing coach with about 45 seconds left when he said I was "out of my mind" to the whole gym...but that's a whole other topic!!!)

You need to clarify all of this...was there contact?

[TheOracle]

It goes farther than contact. If the contact results in displacement, or it affects the balance, speed, or quickness of the defender, it's a foul. Going to be a tough sell for a dribbler to block a reach attempt to protect the ball unless that then allows him to beat the defender. Otherwise, these can be incidental contact with no whistle. No absolute right or wrong.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Going to be a tough sell for a dribbler to block a reach attempt to protect the ball unless that then allows him to beat the defender.

So the dribbler stops the defender from making a play on the ball and we can't call anything unless the dribbler then goes to the basket? He just prevented the "normal defensive movements" of the guy trying to make a steal. That's not incidental.

I'm not saying it HAS to be a foul, but if he's preventing the defender from playing legitimate defense, it's NOT a hard sell at all.

[Adam]

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a (insert gratuitous profanity here) about whether you can "sell" it or not?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a sh!t about whether you can "sell" it or not?

Amen!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a (insert gratuitous profanity here) about whether you can "sell" it or not?

I almost included that statement in my post. But I've disagreed with almost all of Oracle's posts so far and I didn't want to seem like I was piling on. But, of course, you're correct. Make the right call and don't worry about the sales job.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I'm not saying it HAS to be a foul, but if he's preventing the defender from playing legitimate defense, it's NOT a hard sell at all.

This is my favorite call that allows me to talk to the coach. Usually I tell them I need some contact to make that call. I get to establish a dialogue with the coach and also let said coach what parameters are gonna be. If there is contact that I deem more than incidential I grab it. I haven't heard too many complaints when I have grabbed it.

This call is also a good example of how this board works for me. I get to see how NCAA/Varsity HS officials deal with this and then I get to apply this in my Girls Frosh games I'll be working the rest of this week. Actually 3 out of my next 4 are Girls Frosh. Lots of talking about the "arm" and pushing off with the coaches.....

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

how often do you call a PC on the pushoff?

Called it twice against the same team (different players) last night in an NCAA game.