Ball Handler Pushoff

[lpbreeze]

- from what I saw the defensive player stepped in the path of A1 at the last second and if A1 would have continued forward then it would have been a blocking foul. A1 didn't have time to move out of the way so she stepped out of bounds. There was a little contact but very minor and no one fell down or anything like that. I called a block because in my mind A1 had to go out of bounds or she would have had to run into B1 who got to the spot late. If there was absolutely no contact then I suppose I would have called out of bounds but the contact was very little and I called a block even though it wasn't a typical block call.

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

- from what I saw the defensive player stepped in the path of A1 at the last second and if A1 would have continued forward then it would have been a blocking foul. A1 didn't have time to move out of the way so she stepped out of bounds. There was a little contact but very minor and no one fell down or anything like that. I called a block because in my mind A1 had to go out of bounds or she would have had to run into B1 who got to the spot late. If there was absolutely no contact then I suppose I would have called out of bounds but the contact was very little and I called a block even though it wasn't a typical block call.

In my mind, that's a good defensive play by B1. If A1 goes OOB to avoid the contact, then too bad for them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Sounds like the right call to me. No contact, no block

Isn't there something in the rulebook something along the lines of "if a defender is within 3ft of the boundary line...."?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Isn't there something in the rulebook something along the lines of "if a defender is within 3ft of the boundary line...."?

Don't think so.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Don't think so.

There used to be a sentence about a defender having LGP wtihin 3 (or 6?) feet of a boundary and if a dribbler tried to squeeze through, contact is the responsibility of the dribbler. It looks as though it's been edited. Look in 10-6-2.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

There used to be a sentence about a defender having LGP wtihin 3 (or 6?) feet of a boundary and if a dribbler tried to squeeze through, contact is the responsibility of the dribbler. It looks as though it's been edited. Look in 10-6-2.

10-6-7: A dribbler shall not attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/her to go through without contact.

This, to me, supports the idea that, when in doubt, it was not a blocking foul.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by just another ref

10-6-7: A dribbler shall not attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/her to go through without contact.

This, to me, supports the idea that, when in doubt, it was not a blocking foul.

If defender had LGP.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If defender had LGP.

or not. Defender can be standing with his back to the dribbler, hopping on one foot, talking to his mom in the bleachers. Dribbler tries to go around him, bumps him, and steps out of bounds. The call is out of bounds.

[williebfree]

Just a reminder...

LGP cannot be established if B1 has a foot on or outside the OOB line.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by just another ref

or not. Defender can be standing with his back to the dribbler, hopping on one foot, talking to his mom in the bleachers. Dribbler tries to go around him, bumps him, and steps out of bounds. The call is out of bounds.

Touche...

[Texas Aggie]

Called one last night. There WAS contact, and the dribbler clearly initiated both the closeness and push off. Easy call, though the partisans didn't exactly agree.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

how often do you call a PC on the pushoff?

Called it twice against the same team (different players) last night in an NCAA game.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Going to be a tough sell for a dribbler to block a reach attempt to protect the ball unless that then allows him to beat the defender.

So the dribbler stops the defender from making a play on the ball and we can't call anything unless the dribbler then goes to the basket? He just prevented the "normal defensive movements" of the guy trying to make a steal. That's not incidental.

I'm not saying it HAS to be a foul, but if he's preventing the defender from playing legitimate defense, it's NOT a hard sell at all.

[Adam]

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a (insert gratuitous profanity here) about whether you can "sell" it or not?

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I'm not saying it HAS to be a foul, but if he's preventing the defender from playing legitimate defense, it's NOT a hard sell at all.

This is my favorite call that allows me to talk to the coach. Usually I tell them I need some contact to make that call. I get to establish a dialogue with the coach and also let said coach what parameters are gonna be. If there is contact that I deem more than incidential I grab it. I haven't heard too many complaints when I have grabbed it.

This call is also a good example of how this board works for me. I get to see how NCAA/Varsity HS officials deal with this and then I get to apply this in my Girls Frosh games I'll be working the rest of this week. Actually 3 out of my next 4 are Girls Frosh. Lots of talking about the "arm" and pushing off with the coaches.....