Ahhh coaches..

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Is there a penalty for this?

So I walk over into their huddle and go "guys didn't we just have this discussion?" The coach actually says to me "well they were sort of hoping you would be gone by now". I wanted to grab the coach by the throat and choke the life out of him! ...

So my question would be "Why would this make you so angry?" So the coach was a smart-a$$ and they tried to pull something on you. It didn't work and you took care of it. Instead of getting all bent, why not just smile and say "Nope. Still here. Still going to enforce that uniform rule. Thanks, Coach." and then just walk away...seriously, with all the important things that can come up, why start a game all pi$$ed off at the coach?

Don't get me wrong, the coach and team were being jerks, I just don't see the reason for getting that upset about it. Deal with it and move on...

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So my question would be "Why would this make you so angry?" So the coach was a smart-a$$ and they tried to pull something on you. It didn't work and you took care of it. Instead of getting all bent, why not just smile and say "Nope. Still here. Still going to enforce that uniform rule. Thanks, Coach." and then just walk away...seriously, with all the important things that can come up, why start a game all pi$$ed off at the coach?

Don't get me wrong, the coach and team were being jerks, I just don't see the reason for getting that upset about it. Deal with it and move on...

ok you got me I wasn't going to literally choke him, I was just venting a little frustration about the fact that someone who was supposed to be an "adult" is teaching a bunch of 13 year-old kids that it's ok to do something if you can get away with it...it's not like i took it into the game for crying out loud...I didn't get into an argument with him, I didn't yell at him, I just walked away shaking my head...

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by kbilla

ok you got me I wasn't going to literally choke him, I was just venting a little frustration about the fact that someone who was supposed to be an "adult" is teaching a bunch of 13 year-old kids that it's ok to do something if you can get away with it...it's not like i took it into the game for crying out loud...I didn't get into an argument with him, I didn't yell at him, I just walked away shaking my head...

While I haven't had to enforce this rule in basketball (I'm not working any upper-level games, and we don't enforce it in the lower levels), I can't relate to your experience exactly, but I do see something quite similar to this in softball. I have gone through, and thrown out illegal bats before, only to see them reappear in a few games, because the team thought they would be able to get away with it.

What someone said a few posts earlier is right though. All you can do is tell them that it's STILL illegal. No use getting upset over it. Is what the coach is doing wrong? Sure it is, but we've got to just move on and enforce the rules, regardless of the fact that the coach may be a jerk.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

While I haven't had to enforce this rule in basketball (I'm not working any upper-level games, and we don't enforce it in the lower levels), I can't relate to your experience exactly, but I do see something quite similar to this in softball. I have gone through, and thrown out illegal bats before, only to see them reappear in a few games, because the team thought they would be able to get away with it.

What someone said a few posts earlier is right though. All you can do is tell them that it's STILL illegal. No use getting upset over it. Is what the coach is doing wrong? Sure it is, but we've got to just move on and enforce the rules, regardless of the fact that the coach may be a jerk.

Agree with you, that is basically what I did...doesn't stop me from WANTING to do something about it, but I am able to separate what I would like to see happen from what I know needs to happen...I know there is no penalty so I didn't impose one, but when you see this time after time after time it just gets old...like I said just venting a little frustration, not the first on this board..

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by kbilla

ok you got me I wasn't going to literally choke him, I was just venting a little frustration about the fact that someone who was supposed to be an "adult" is teaching a bunch of 13 year-old kids that it's ok to do something if you can get away with it...it's not like i took it into the game for crying out loud...I didn't get into an argument with him, I didn't yell at him, I just walked away shaking my head...

Oh, I get it. So when you said you were "not happy" and the coach must have known it, you were just kidding there also...I fully understood that the part about "choking the life out of him" was not meant literally, but I still don't understand why you got upset by the whole thing. Oh well, next time just choke away!

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Oh, I get it. So when you said you were "not happy" and the coach must have known it, you were just kidding there also...I fully understood that the part about "choking the life out of him" was not meant literally, but I still don't understand why you got upset by the whole thing. Oh well, next time just choke away!

OK maybe you really did get me - I was a little pissed BUT I did not bring it into the game...like I said it was less the "rule" that I could really care less about, more the message it sends to the kids..at that point I was thinking more as a parent, but like I said once the game starts all that is off....keep in mind again that this is MS and I admit I tend to be a little more "proactive" with MS coaches, this would never have happened in a HS game..MS coaches sometimes need a little something extra to get the point across in my experience..

[BillyMac]

The assigner for the Catholic School Deanery games, in which I officiate, has told us that we will not get paid if he finds out that we let players play with illegal undershirts, and/or illegal headbands or wristbands. We have been told not to enforce the "Home White" rule. These players range from fifth grade through eighth grade.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The assigner for the Catholic School Deanery games, in which I officiate, has told us that we will not get paid if he finds out that we let players play with illegal undershirts, and/or illegal headbands or wristbands. We have been told not to enforce the "Home White" rule. These players range from fifth grade through eighth grade.

Wow, the assigner won't pay you if the players play with illegal adornments, but he doesn't want the home team wearing white?

Am I the only that questions the consistency of that logic?

[chartrusepengui]

I've found that most of the coaches at lower levels - when I approach them about and undershirt that has to come off because it's the wrong color are pretty understanding. If they look at me funny - I just tell them that it is a rule and while it's not my favorite rule I still have to enforce it. They usually just nod and take care of it.

Now - when you tell them that the headbands, wristbands etc have to be the same color - they will argue and complain a great deal. But the worst has been the narrow sweatbands the kids like to wear just above the elbow. Had a game last week where we told player to remove them or place them below the elbow. Kid did it. A few seconds later, after FT I saw them up again - his team with ball. TWEET and off he goes. Coach asks what the problem is and I told him player couldn't play dressed as he was. Coach errupts! TWEET and down he goes on the bench. He chased us down at halftime demanding to see the rule. I politely told him it was in his rule book and if he wanted to see it he should rip open his envelope and try reading it.

Twice more in the game we did not allow substitues into game because of this. It seemed to me we were the only two guys in the nation that wouldn't allow this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Wow, the assigner won't pay you if the players play with illegal adornments, but he doesn't want the home team wearing white?

Am I the only that questions the consistency of that logic?

Youth league...taking off an undershirt is free...making teams buy new uniforms is not.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The assigner for the Catholic School Deanery games, in which I officiate, has told us that we will not get paid if he finds out that we let players play with illegal undershirts, and/or illegal headbands or wristbands.

This is probably not legal. If you work the game, you get paid. If the assignor doesn't like the job you do, he has every right not to invite you back. Don't put up with that kind of BS intimidation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is probably not legal. If you work the game, you get paid. If the assignor doesn't like the job you do, he has every right not to invite you back. Don't put up with that kind of BS intimidation.

How is it illegal. If I hire a painter to paint my house and he says it will take three days but he only paints 90% of what was agree upon but still takes three days, does he still deserve to be paid for the whole thing?

If you don't do all of the job you're hired to do, why should you get paid for it. In this case, the assignor is telling the officials what the expectations are and what they'll get paid for doing only part of the job he's hiring them for. I can't see how this is a problem if it is both made known and consistently enforced.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The assigner for the Catholic School Deanery games, in which I officiate, has told us that we will not get paid if he finds out that we let players play with illegal undershirts, and/or illegal headbands or wristbands. We have been told not to enforce the "Home White" rule. These players range from fifth grade through eighth grade.

Wow, any other non-enforcement issues the assigner won't pay officials that have officiated game?

[BillyMac]

From Scrapper1: "This is probably not legal. If you work the game, you get paid. If the assignor doesn't like the job you do, he has every right not to invite you back. Don't put up with that kind of BS intimidation."

From MichaelVA2000: "Any other non-enforcement issues the assigner won't pay officials that have officiated game(s)?"

Scrapper1: It's not intimidating. It's the Deanery rule, and that's what we have been told to tell the coaches, especially at the beginning of the season, when they accuse us of being the "fashion police". The assigner works hard on our behalf, and he is a class act, please read on.

MichaelVA2000: There are financial penalties for showing up late: More than 10 minutes late, $7.00 reduction; Later than halftime, no fee.

Also: Game starts more than 10 minutes late, $7.00 additional payment: 20 minutes late, $12.00 additional payment.

Also: Schools agree not to solicit, and officials agree not to participate in, any raffle (50%-50%), contest, drawing, or any other fundraiser.

This assigner is very professional, almost like a high school assigner: availability sheets, which he wants updated, confirmation of assignments from officials, written rule differences (no press, or fast break, at certain points in the game, all players play, etc.), mandatory preseason officials meeting, and he scouts, and recruits, good young officials for Deanery games. He also recognizes, in terms of give-backs, that our high school assignments take top priority. Due to his work on our behalf, we get paid extremely well, even for fifth and sixth grade games, and the coaches, and athletic directors, respect us, realizing that they are getting high school varsity, or top rated junior varsity, officials, for elementary and middle school games.

These are the only games that I do, other than my high school varsity schedule, and the Special Olympics Unified Games (free). These Deanery games are great: good players, good coaching, big crowds, cheerleaders, great rivalries, post season tournament, etc., and they're all within a 20 minute drive from my home. Games vary between 6 and 7 minute periods, and most games are over in an hour. We are often assigned a "varsity" (seventh and eighth grade) doubleheader, or a "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) triple, or quadrupleheader. We get paid for the high level, seventh and eighth grade games, at the site, usually in cash. We get paid for lower level games, fifth and sixth graders, at the end of the season, in one big check. This year, I plan to use my big check, from the lower level games, to purchase a high definition LCD televison, in the spring. If I don't get snowed out of a lot of games, I plan on getting a check for about $800.00.

This assigner, and this Deanery league, is a class act.