Ahhh coaches..

[Smitty]

Around here we only enforce the undershirt rule on high school games, not 8th grade or lower.

[kbilla]

I WISH that is what they did around here, but they have specifically incorporated in the league rules that they want uniform policy enforced....believe me I don't do it b/c I enjoy it...

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Around here we only enforce the undershirt rule on high school games, not 8th grade or lower.

I agree with your approach; however, our chapter has stated we should enforce the rule at all levels. They believe this is the only way we can have consistency among officials at all levels. As mentioned above, some refs let it go; others didnt. they hope to have all enforce it correctly. IMO if it is only the undershirt, it doesnt cause confusion. I only consider the jersies when I am making calls. I had rather find a way for all the kids to play than make a major issue over the undershirt.....

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Splute

I agree with your approach; however, our chapter has stated we should enforce the rule at all levels. They believe this is the only way we can have consistency among officials at all levels. As mentioned above, some refs let it go; others didnt. they hope to have all enforce it correctly. IMO if it is only the undershirt, it doesnt cause confusion. I only consider the jersies when I am making calls. I had rather find a way for all the kids to play than make a major issue over the undershirt.....

I agree I would rather not deal with silly issues like this, but I would rather not deal with them at ANY level, not just MS. That being said if there are rules in place, I sort of think I need to enforce them..Honestly I don't get why officials let it go, especially with the boys game. It only takes a minute to have them take off the undershirt and the undershirt is not a crucial part of any uniform on the boys side...why not just enforce it? So they will be "uncomfortable" that game, all the better, maybe they won't do it next time! If everyone would then nobody would have a problem b/c the kids would adapt...

[Splute]

Originally Posted by kbilla

...why not just enforce it? So they will be "uncomfortable" that game, all the better, maybe they won't do it next time! If everyone would then nobody would have a problem b/c the kids would adapt...

Agreed and I do as requested. Dont have to like it; just do it. I believe if the parents knew the rule, the players would probably come correctly prepared (at least at the lower levels). Most parents just want their child to have an undershirt on because they are wearing tank tops for jersies. If they knew they needed a specific color or type I believe they would comply. The coaches could obviously go a long way in correcting this issue too. In my last game I told the players before we started where the arm sweatband had to be, non logo showing, etc.... by the first FT, the same player I told personally had moved it above the elbow.... I removed him and requested a sub. Coach had ALL players remove sweat bands after that.

[Nevadaref]

For OP, I wouldn't have gotten upset with the coach because he gave me an honest answer. Yes, he could make my life easier by properly attiring his team, but if he would rather waste warm-up time having his kids change, that's his business. I would just politely have all of the illegal items removed before the kids take the floor for the warm-up period. That's enough of a punishment right there.

Originally Posted by Splute

In my last game I told the players before we started where the arm sweatband had to be, non logo showing, etc....

You do know that is incorrect, right?

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For OP, I wouldn't have gotten upset with the coach because he gave me an honest answer. Yes, he could make my life easier by properly attiring his team, but if he would rather waste warm-up time having his kids change, that's his business. I would just politely have all of the illegal items removed before the kids take the floor for the warm-up period. That's enough of a punishment right there.



You do know that is incorrect, right?

True...I did have a kid with a blue undershirt on that matched his jersey, but had a Cubs logo on it....aside from the fact that I am a Sox fan and was therefore offended , I told him he couldn't have a logo on his undershirt so he would have to remove it...the kid was actually smart and turned it inside out, which looks a little funny, but worked for me...although I suppose I could have looked back to the whole "items shall be worn as intended by the manufacturer", or however it is worded...anybody else ever see this?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by kbilla

True...I did have a kid with a blue undershirt on that matched his jersey, but had a Cubs logo on it....aside from the fact that I am a Sox fan and was therefore offended , I told him he couldn't have a logo on his undershirt so he would have to remove it...the kid was actually smart and turned it inside out, which looks a little funny, but worked for me...although I suppose I could have looked back to the whole "items shall be worn as intended by the manufacturer", or however it is worded...anybody else ever see this?

Wow, I really don't think that is right.
1. Could the logo be seen with the jersey on?
2. Did the Chicago Cubs manufacture the shirt?

If the answer to either question is no, then I think that you misapplied the rule.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by kbilla

I suppose I could have looked back to the whole "items shall be worn as intended by the manufacturer", or however it is worded...anybody else ever see this?

I think that would probably just be plumbing. Manufacturer intended it to be worn with the head through the center hole and the arms through the holes on the side. Inside out, I don't think the manufacturer cares so much

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Splute

IMO if it is only the undershirt, it doesnt cause confusion. I only consider the jersies when I am making calls. I had rather find a way for all the kids to play than make a major issue over the undershirt.....

I completely agree with this....in my rec league that I'm on the Board with...they instituted a white undershirt only for the kids with NO printing on it...I think it's a bit overkill for a rec league and if I were present the night they proposed it I would have voted against it. It's rec league and you require every kid to play 2 quarters but you won't let him play if he has an undershirt on the same color as his jersey?