Defender verbal during play.

[wiref8]

Situation: Offensive player has ball, dribbling or not, defender guarding player continues yelling "ball, ball, ball, ball . . . . . ." or "Da, da, da . . . ."

I stop play, and explain to both coaches that I view that type of behavior as un-sportsman like and doesn’t lend itself for the good of the game. I compared it to behavior that is allowed during free throw attempts. Communication, like " Ball" or "Switch" or "Pick" will be tolerated. Give both teams warning, next occurrence will result in Technical. One coach got very hot that he had not heard of this before. I told coach that he has the option of complying and has been warned without penalty.

I cannot find anything specific, and classify this under: 2005-2006 Rule Book Rule 10, Sec 3, Art 7 for Unsporting foul. Including but the limited to . . . . . .

I would like some guidance on this please.

[mick]

Originally Posted by wiref8

Situation: Offensive player has ball, dribbling or not, defender guarding player continues yelling "ball, ball, ball, ball . . . . . ." or "Da, da, da . . . ."

I stop play, and explain to both coaches that I view that type of behavior as un-sportsman like and doesn’t lend itself for the good of the game. I compared it to behavior that is allowed during free throw attempts. Communication, like " Ball" or "Switch" or "Pick" will be tolerated. Give both teams warning, next occurrence will result in Technical. One coach got very hot that he had not heard of this before. I told coach that he has the option of complying and has been warned without penalty.

I cannot find anything specific, and classify this under: 2005-2006 Rule Book Rule 10, Sec 3, Art 7 for Unsporting foul. Including but the limited to . . . . . .

I would like some guidance on this please.

I have absolutely no problem with the defender *constantly yelling" with unobjectionable verbiage.
Perhaps your are tending to be an overly officious official ?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by wiref8

Situation: Offensive player has ball, dribbling or not, defender guarding player continues yelling "ball, ball, ball, ball . . . . . ." or "Da, da, da . . . ."

I stop play, and explain to both coaches that I view that type of behavior as un-sportsman like and doesn’t lend itself for the good of the game. I compared it to behavior that is allowed during free throw attempts. Communication, like " Ball" or "Switch" or "Pick" will be tolerated. Give both teams warning, next occurrence will result in Technical. One coach got very hot that he had not heard of this before. I told coach that he has the option of complying and has been warned without penalty.

I cannot find anything specific, and classify this under: 2005-2006 Rule Book Rule 10, Sec 3, Art 7 for Unsporting foul. Including but the limited to . . . . . .

I would like some guidance on this please.

wiref8:

You will not find anything in the rules regarding this situation because there is not rule against it. You weren't just be overly officious, you were trying to impose a rule that does not exist. Remember, you have nothing until you have something and you had nothing.

MTD, Sr.

[wiref8]

Thanks for the feedback. I just found the behavior in this situation out of the ordinary(never had seen such a persistent effort by a defender) in all the games I have officiated.

I am glad to get contrary feedback, I received positive reinforcement in the manner I handled the situation from other officials in the tournament that I know. Maybe it is a matter of standing up for each other. I am glad that I asked.

Thanks for the piece of humble pie.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by wiref8

I would like some guidance on this please.

Nothing the matter with it.....

Don't be a plumber.

[Johnny Ringo]

In response to never having seen this or out of the ordinary!

Perhaps if you had played basketball at some level you would know this is something that is taught to do and has been practice for many, many years.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

In response to never having seen this or out of the ordinary!

Perhaps if you had played basketball at least at the high school varsity level you would know this is something that is taught to do and has been practice for many, many years.

And exactly how did this add to the thread?

[Johnny Ringo]

Not sure ... but, found it quite odd that someone had never seen this or heard of it before. It's one of the first things you are taught as a player.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Not sure ... but, found it quite odd that someone had never seen this or heard of it before. It's one of the first things you are taught as a player.

Until recently, I've never heard of anything but girls' teams doing it. Is that odd? I have heard about communication on defense that may require an occasional, "Ball" now and then.

[Johnny Ringo]

That is odd ... did you play basketball growing up (fair question)? If so, you surely would have encountered this somewhere along the way.

[mick]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Until recently, I've never heard of anything but girls' teams doing it. Is that odd? I have heard about communication on defense that may require an occasional, "Ball" now and then.

Just for the record, I talked (though, not yelling) to my guy through the entire game in the mid-60s. It felt necessary for me to advise him what to do with the ball and when he he was getting into some deep doo-doo.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

That is odd ... did you play basketball growing up (fair question)? If so, you surely would have encountered this somewhere along the way.

I'm from Indiana, any other questions?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by mick

Just for the record, I talked (though, not yelling) to my guy through the entire game in the mid-60s. It felt necessary for me to advise him what to do with the ball and when he he was getting into some deep doo-doo.

Yeah, you talked, but did you constantly say, "Ball, ball, ball?" I talked too (much) when I played. I'm still willing to tell anyone who will listen that on most nights I'm the best 3-point shooter in the gym. No, seriously!

[mick]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Yeah, you talked, but did you constantly say, "Ball, ball, ball?" I talked too (much) when I played. I'm still willing to tell anyone who will listen that on most nights I'm the best 3-point shooter in the gym. No, seriously!

Ha, sometimes, but not often! My constant repeats were more likely "Shoot it, shoot it, shoot it."

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Until recently, I've never heard of anything but girls' teams doing it. Is that odd? I have heard about communication on defense that may require an occasional, "Ball" now and then.

That was my first thought when I read the OP (must have been a girls game).

Mregor