Defender verbal during play.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by wiref8

Situation: Offensive player has ball, dribbling or not, defender guarding player continues yelling "ball, ball, ball, ball . . . . . ." or "Da, da, da . . . ."

I stop play, and explain to both coaches that I view that type of behavior as un-sportsman like and doesn’t lend itself for the good of the game. I compared it to behavior that is allowed during free throw attempts. Communication, like " Ball" or "Switch" or "Pick" will be tolerated. Give both teams warning, next occurrence will result in Technical. One coach got very hot that he had not heard of this before. I told coach that he has the option of complying and has been warned without penalty.

I cannot find anything specific, and classify this under: 2005-2006 Rule Book Rule 10, Sec 3, Art 7 for Unsporting foul. Including but the limited to . . . . . .

I would like some guidance on this please.

My college coach taught the following:
"Ball" - Ball is loose or knocked loose.
"Tight" called repeatedly - Ball handler has no dribble now.
"Shot" - Box out and go for the rebound.

Hearing "Ball," "dead," "tight," etc. all game may be annoying, but to call it unsporting is a bit of a stretch, IMO.

[BillyMac]

From Grunewar: "Very annoying!"

Agreed. Against the rules? I don't think so, unless you really want to bend the rules regarding sportmanship, and that's going to be a tough sell.

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

[mick]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From Grunewar: "Very annoying!"

Agreed. Against the rules? I don't think so, unless you really want to bend the rules regarding sportmanship, and that's going to be a tough sell.

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

My thought is that is a character problem, better dealt with by parents and maybe even coaches.

[Mark Padgett]

Lots of times, kids (usually girls) yell ball, ball, ball, etc. when I'm getting ready to hand the ball to the inbounder. When that happens, I stop, look at the ball, look at the kid and say, "Yes, you're right. It is a ball." That usually shuts them up. Sometimes, they even laugh.

When I hear boys yelling it, I tell them, "only girls say that". That always shuts them up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

My personal opinion is that's a technical foul, but I doubt that there is widespread agreement upon that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My personal opinion is that's a technical foul, but I doubt that there is widespread agreement upon that.

You are quite correct with regards to your doubts. There is very little agreement amongst officials(at least those that I have met) with your personal opinion. The general consensus seems to be that it's OOO-ish.

[Nevadaref]

To me it is "behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play."

I don't see how a player yelling, "Look out!" at an opponent going in for an uncontested layup is sporting behavior.

That's just not acceptable at the HS level.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My personal opinion is that's a technical foul, but I doubt that there is widespread agreement upon that.

I agree that it is unsporting, but I've been quite clearly told by higher ups to let it go.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree that it is unsporting, but I've been quite clearly told by higher ups to let it go.

Gratuitous and mandatory Chuck Elias reference aside, what "higher-ups"? Association, state, IABBO?